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DrJoanAllenby · 2024-05-07T12:26:29+00:00

Guess who's back? Back again? Shady's back.... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13391363/prince-harry-arrives-uk-without-meghan-invictus-games-meet-king-charles.html

BringMeSunshineAllDayLong · 08/05/2024 08:13

Singingseals · 07/05/2024 14:57

Respectfully, I have to say I disagree with this. That Oprah interview in particular had the potential to be hugely damaging to Britain’s reputation on the world stage, and I believe it very briefly was. Thankfully the tide turned pretty soon as they themselves contradicted their own claims shortly after, and reasonable people questioned the moral fibre and soundness of judgement of so publicly going after your own family when your grandmother, a much respected public figure who had dedicated her life to service, was dealing with the illness and deterioration of her husband.

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Surely Prince Andrew has ruined our reputation by being a paedophile?

Thedom · 08/05/2024 08:15

Oh, here it comes, the derailing, whataboutery, the bull.

LakeTiticaca · 08/05/2024 08:16

Charles and William have sent out a very strong message to Harry, basically you reap what you sow.
Harry sowed.
Now he is reaping.

Thedom · 08/05/2024 08:20

They cut Meghan's family off for 'selling secrets' and going to the press,

Meghan's family are toxic, Meghan has now dragged Harry into her very own kind of famiy dynamics, she is mirroring her own family and Harry is happy to go along.

It is totally understandable Charles will limit interactions with Harry, most people would.

LaMarschallin · 08/05/2024 08:21

I think Andrew ruined his own reputation and Harry is certainly doing nothing to help his reputation these days.

MrsFinkelstein · 08/05/2024 08:46

Shakespeareandi · 07/05/2024 23:16

This. How easily people are played by media. Nobody on here know these two people. To call people you don't know" dim" and "narcissistic " is a bit ridiculous. You don't know if they are in touch with each other or what their relationship is like. And it's also none of anyone's business. The hate for this couple is really sad. Perhaps think how you would feel if people were discussing your family or daughter/son in this way.

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I know, it's awful.

We know nothing about H&M other than what they've chosen to tell us over the course of an exclusive Oprah Winfrey interview, several magazine exclusive interviews (The Cut, Variety, Vanity Fair), a podcast, a 6 part Netflix series, an autobiography and the numerous TV interviews promoting it, the interview with Gabor Mate and the series with Oprah.

Nothing, it's like they've been silenced.

Mylovelygreendress · 08/05/2024 08:48

BringMeSunshineAllDayLong · 08/05/2024 08:13

Surely Prince Andrew has ruined our reputation by being a paedophile?

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I dislike Andrew intensely and did before the Epstein stuff but he has never been charged with anything so you cannot accuse him of being a paedophile .
I have no idea why certain posters ( some name changes??) do the what-about-Andrew stuff to try to defend Harry .
The vast majority of people view Andrew as an entitled , arrogant, unpleasant oaf but it’s not a reason to defend Harry .

MacavitytheMystery · 08/05/2024 08:49

BringMeSunshineAllDayLong · 08/05/2024 08:13

Surely Prince Andrew has ruined our reputation by being a paedophile?

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I dont for a moment defend what he did, but it wasn’t paedophilia .

Mylovelygreendress · 08/05/2024 08:49

MrsFinkelstein · 08/05/2024 08:46

I know, it's awful.

We know nothing about H&M other than what they've chosen to tell us over the course of an exclusive Oprah Winfrey interview, several magazine exclusive interviews (The Cut, Variety, Vanity Fair), a podcast, a 6 part Netflix series, an autobiography and the numerous TV interviews promoting it, the interview with Gabor Mate and the series with Oprah.

Nothing, it's like they've been silenced.

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And don’t forget the little snippets dropped by Scobie .

Vespanest · 08/05/2024 08:52

harry, by money or ego is a commodity to be purchased. Charles has two roles one as a father and the other as a monarch representative of the UK. Harry is a catastrophe waiting to happen. If it’s not Nigeria it could be any country. I don’t believe it was a mistake calling Prince Harry HRH it was PR for Nigeria and it worked. Charles has to be cautious, whose next to fund a meet and greet

LaMarschallin · 08/05/2024 08:57

Mylovelygreendress

I have no idea why certain posters ( some name changes??) do the what-about-Andrew stuff to try to defend Harry

I think it's just habit now.
It's a low bar though: "Whatever Harry's done, at least he's not Andrew" isn't much of a defence.

ZellyFitzgerald · 08/05/2024 08:58

Vespanest

harry, by money or ego is a commodity to be purchased. Charles has two roles one as a father and the other as a monarch representative of the UK. Harry is a catastrophe waiting to happen. If it’s not Nigeria it could be any country. I don’t believe it was a mistake calling Prince Harry HRH it was PR for Nigeria and it worked. Charles has to be cautious, whose next to fund a meet and greet

Exactly this. It's probably why the late Queen was against the half in half out model. It's open to corruption when it's monetised.

H&M are making such poor decisions at the moment and befriending questionable people. Charles is right to distance the monarchy and Britain from them. They can't be seen to represent us at all.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 08/05/2024 09:06

harry, by money or ego is a commodity to be purchased. Charles has two roles one as a father and the other as a monarch representative of the UK

It occurs to me that Harry forgets that, or chooses to ignore it, just like he did with the late queen. He treats Charles as father, disregarding that Charles has responsibilities and duties that aren't just as a father.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 08/05/2024 09:08

Shakespeareandi · Yesterday 23:16
This. How easily people are played by media

Perhaps poster can tell us what superior sources they're using so we can all be as well informed as them and not as 'played by media' as they clear aren't.

smilesy · 08/05/2024 09:08

ZellyFitzgerald · 07/05/2024 23:04

What I find interesting is that Meghan is skipping this UK visit and has been quite vocal about not returning to the UK. But if the UK hosts Invictus in 2027 then she kind of has to come back and what then?

I do think they are looking for other countries than the UK to host the games on purpose, I know Nigeria seems an unlikely choice but why else they be going and encouraging Nigeria to think they're in with a chance of hosting?

Well this is the thing isn’t it? If it’s all about Invictus, then why is Meghan happy to go to Germany, Canada and Nigeria to insert herself in to Invictus events, but unable to come to the UK for what is arguably a more important Invictus event (the 10 year anniversary thanksgiving service) than prancing about in the snow for a pre winter games love in, and schmoozing with some questionable military types on the off chance that their country will be hosting the games?

CoffeeCantata · 08/05/2024 09:09

Dabralor · Yesterday 20:14

Great - another tedious harry thread.

You do realise it's coming up for 4 years since that bloody Oprah interview?

What difference does 4 years make?

If they'd called me a racist (among other things) on a world-wide platform it wouldn't matter if it was 40 years ago. I would never be able to forgive them.

LaMarschallin · 08/05/2024 09:13

MrsDanversGlidesAgain

Perhaps poster can tell us what superior sources they're using

I'd really like to know this too. I read the Guardian and the Times and listen to radio 4 but they're all the dread MSM.
I get the impression the main other source is TwiX which I'm not interested in (and haven't got the time for).
But if there are some informed, unbiased sources out there I'd definitely give them a read (or a listen/watch).

JSMill · 08/05/2024 09:21

There was a journalist from Newsweek on Sky saying Charles not meeting H made the RF look petty. Some of these royal reporters really don't get it do they? Charles has two very good reasons not to meet H. One, he doesn't want to look like he is giving his blessing to the Nigerian trip. Two, the risk of anything being leaked about his or Catherine's health. Charles has to act as a monarch first.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 08/05/2024 09:29

Well this is the thing isn’t it? If it’s all about Invictus, then why is Meghan happy to go to Germany, Canada and Nigeria to insert herself in to Invictus events, but unable to come to the UK for what is arguably a more important Invictus event (the 10 year anniversary thanksgiving service) than prancing about in the snow for a pre winter games love in, and schmoozing with some questionable military types on the off chance that their country will be hosting the games?

Perhaps it's to show the UK what we're missing by being so horrid to her. A bit like the advice that when your BF breaks up with you, get the glad rags and the heels on, grrl, get out there and enjoy yourself and show him what he's missing!

Except we aren't missing it at all and she can prance about all she likes.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/05/2024 09:53

Vespanest · 07/05/2024 21:50

Im actually angry about the Invictus statement and it is rewriting history to remove the UK involvement. That’s the royal family, the MOD, government, volunteers, charities such as help the heroes. Even before this the Sussex supporters were angry that the Uk was shortlisted and didn’t deserve Invictus. Is vile how those who built Invictus are being treated and that includes the UK tax paper.

I agree, except wasn't it a spokesman for Harry rather than for Invictus itself who made the remarks about Harry and Charles not meeting?

Not that it matters that much, the basic point being that yet again Harry's managed to make the period of an Invictus event all about him

Fortunately this isn't the only initiative which supports vets, and while I always admired the concept there are others available if the whole thing becomes toxic through association - unless of course Harry's ditched by those with better judgement

YesIknowIcare · 08/05/2024 10:01

smilesy · 08/05/2024 09:08

Well this is the thing isn’t it? If it’s all about Invictus, then why is Meghan happy to go to Germany, Canada and Nigeria to insert herself in to Invictus events, but unable to come to the UK for what is arguably a more important Invictus event (the 10 year anniversary thanksgiving service) than prancing about in the snow for a pre winter games love in, and schmoozing with some questionable military types on the off chance that their country will be hosting the games?

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Shouldn't you be happy to see the back of her?

Sageandparsley7654 · 08/05/2024 10:04

SluggyMuggy · 08/05/2024 01:48

This thread is bizarre.
It is fine for the Royal Family apparently to wear military uniform and medals whether or not they have actually served.
It is not okay for a member of the Royal Family to found Invictus for veterans and to continue as Patron.
It is fine for the other members of the Royal Family to avoid the Invictus event. Suddenly they are all far too busy to support this.
It is fine for supporters of the Royal Family to use social media to attack Invictus, and by default attack the veterans participating.
I feel sorry for Johnny Mercer who is working hard to try and bring Invictus to England. The lack of support from the British Royal Family and the social media attacks on Invictus by some British people make his job much harder. But unlike many of those commenting Johnny Mercer served so understands the importance of Invictus to Veterans. He understands the key role it plays in supporting injured and disabled veterans and providing a sense of pride for many.

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Great post 👏👏

Vespanest · 08/05/2024 10:15

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/05/2024 09:53

I agree, except wasn't it a spokesman for Harry rather than for Invictus itself who made the remarks about Harry and Charles not meeting?

Not that it matters that much, the basic point being that yet again Harry's managed to make the period of an Invictus event all about him

Fortunately this isn't the only initiative which supports vets, and while I always admired the concept there are others available if the whole thing becomes toxic through association - unless of course Harry's ditched by those with better judgement

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Invictus games foundation reposted, shared and commented on how great to hear about invictus origins

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/05/2024 10:32

Vespanest · 08/05/2024 10:15

Invictus games foundation reposted, shared and commented on how great to hear about invictus origins

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Hmmm - I totally get the bit about the Invictus origins, but IMO they might have done better to leave the "he won't be meeting Charles" alone

After all that's a family matter, and surely didn't need to be raised in such a context

TripleDaisySummer · 08/05/2024 10:47

JSMill · 08/05/2024 09:21

There was a journalist from Newsweek on Sky saying Charles not meeting H made the RF look petty. Some of these royal reporters really don't get it do they? Charles has two very good reasons not to meet H. One, he doesn't want to look like he is giving his blessing to the Nigerian trip. Two, the risk of anything being leaked about his or Catherine's health. Charles has to act as a monarch first.

Media wants fireworks and huge rows they can report on - but the Royal family has last few generations tend to closed ranks and ignored and cut out people who cross lines.

'Crawfie - Duke of Windsor though I think Sarah Ferguson and Diana got close to those lines but they has eye on their kids futures and managed their situations in smarter than Harry and Meghan have.

I assumed it the optics of Nigerian trip but some news reports said talks between representatives been taking place but got no-where. Maybe it was like blue carpet at the Sussex wedding thought refusing it would get them the red one instead got them no carpet - asking for too much and getting nothing.