Guess who's back?

[DrJoanAllenby]

Guess who's back? Back again?
Shady's back....

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13391363/prince-harry-arrives-uk-without-meghan-invictus-games-meet-king-charles.html

Great love? Are you kidding? Both he and Meghan have allowed their spokesperson Scobie to say very damaging things about the family. Spare is not a loving and respectful account of his relationship with his family at all. Neither was the interview he gave to Oprah. Or Finding Freedom.

I see the announcement is out about William being made colonel in chief of the army next week. , taking over from Charles, an appt that was decided a year ago.

the media is making much of the timing, but it is simply co incidental. However the message seems clear, harry and Megan have gone too far and are on their own. What once was possibly thawing has frozen solid.

I do strongly suspect the Nigeria tour is problematic diplomatically due to the huge security risks involved , and it’s a commonwealth country. The announcement on William possibly helps the royal family distance themselves even more from this tour, showing Harry has no position with the military kther than being a figure head for invictus.

i feel sorry for Charles, we all know someone with a nightmare kid, one who is problematic forever, and Harry is that kid, ever since he met Megan, before that it was manageable. Difficult it seems now, but manageable.

And played out in the public eye, due to their cashing in by selling stories, and the royals remaining silent, other than the queens announcements on their roles and recollections may vary comment.

simply their actions now speak volumes. Its game over.

Where was his PR statement condemning the mistake and confirming he doesn’t think either are racist? He does like to put out an announcement for most things yet on this one his silence was deafening…

To be fair he did try to pull it back in an interview, and denied they were intimating that, as they never said the actual words in Oprah , said it was unconscious bias imstead, which is the same thing. However scobies book doubled down on it, and it’s widely thought Megan was behind that.

i do think he loves his family, but is resentful, jealous, entitled, mixed up and a bit too thick to understand the ramifications of his actions, he appears to think by right of birth no matter what he does, or how he attacks, he remains entitled to his position in the royal family and to be treated as such, that his behaviour is justified and his entitlement remains,

in his head, he is prince harry, and as such, he should be treated as such, with all the trappings of royalty, from security on. It doesn’t matter if he serves, makes money, cashes in, slags off, attacks, he’s entitled and resents he isn’t number 1.

The impression I get is that the RF don't tell Harry anything any more, for fear of it being leaked.

Hence when the King's cancer diagnosis was revealed, Harry came rushing over: he loves his Dad and as no one would give him any more than basic information, he needed to see for himself how well, or not, his father actually was.

Now the King is doing well and back to work, but probably doesn't want to see Harry as he will, as any brother-in-law would, ask how Kate is doing. And they don't want to tell him because they think it won't stay private.

I did wonder if the King keeping his distance was in part due to a desire to protect Kate. Because of course Harry would ask how she was - at one point they were close, he knows she’s seriously ill, and I imagine he does wish things were better between him and William so he could check in with her. But they simply can’t trust him with any personal information.

By protecting Kate they're protecting the children too. They will not want the risk of Harry leaking her wellbeing to the press.

To be honest, I think Charles is more than able to say I’m not at liberty to comment on that. I don’t think this is about Kate.

potato57 · Today 00:31
I think it shows what a good guy he is that he's still supporting the Invictus games when he could have walked away from all that.

Oh no, no no! Why would he do that? Invictus is pretty much all he's got to try and cling for dear life on to his once-royal aura. If he ditched that (and I don't like H, but I do believe he genuinely cares about Invictus) he'd just be the husband of a jam-seller!

Agree, they would never walk away from invictus, it’s the only successful thing they have.

Vespanest · Yesterday 23:20
Shakespeareandi · Yesterday 23:16

This. How easily people are played by media. Nobody on here know these two people. To call people you don't know" dim" and "narcissistic " is a bit ridiculous. You don't know if they are in touch with each other or what their relationship is like. And it's also none of anyone's business. The hate for this couple is really sad. Perhaps think how you would feel if people were discussing your family or daughter/son in this way.
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We do know because Harry tells us what the relationship is like.

Definitely, Vespanest.

I don't know how many times I've read the 'You don't know them' line in defence of H & M, and despite very articulate ripostes to it, I don't know how many more I'll have to read.

Yes, we do know them because they've given interviews, one has written a tell-all memoir telling us far, far more than we'd ever want to know about him and they've also made a bloody Netflix series about their lives. Fgs!!!

Shakespearandi - if you're going to say 'But the Netflix series wasn't in their home and was very much a curated view of their lives", I'd agree with you, but that doesn't say much for them, does it? They are constructing a myth about themselves, their present and their past and their truth, for public consumption and I for one am not going to swallow it.

In all these projects they've told us who they are very clearly so please - don't pretend they are private people whom we've no right to comment on.

We know a lot about Meghan and Harry.
In their own words.
Plenty of them.

Bookworm1111 · Yesterday 22:14
so it’s either about the international relations of having loose cannons, Harry and Megan doing a faux tour, or the pair of them are doing something else on top of this we don’t know about , and Charles has had to cut the chord. He’d never have done it lightly.

I think it's something else, something behind the scenes that has been the final straw. The King had made it clear he'd never shut the door on his youngest son, yet he's doing exactly that on this visit. He knows what people will read into them not meeting but clearly doesn't care. Big shift in optics.

I agree. I think it must be either that KC doesn't want Harry to bring up the Nigeria tour and needs to disassociate the RF from it, or that perhaps H has asked to see KC alone and Charles has declined. I'm sure all the royals have been advised not to see Harry alone - and it would be madness to do so.

Of course I don't know this, I'm just speculating. But Harry has brought this on himself, and while he's still with Meghan I don't think he'll be trusted as a family member again.

Yes, for someone so loose lipped, he's strangely quiet when it comes to this.

I wonder if all the SM posts about ‘where is Kate’ by the Sussex squad and the vicious allegations about William was the final straw for the King.

Also add in that the Nigeria trip can’t be seen to have royal or government approval and I think we are close to why Charles can’t or won’t see Harry on this trip.

mythbuster88 · Yesterday 19:25

Good on Harry. I wouldn't want to see any of them either. I bet he can't wait to return to his beautiful, young family.

Seriously?

You think Harry and Meghan have a USP beyond their fast-fading royal connection? If so, please tell us what you think it is!

@SluggyMuggy - members of the RF wear military uniform and honours which are to do with their roles as honorary officers of various branches of HM's defence forces.
If you leave the military, or any other official role, you are no longer entitled to wear the uniform. That's the rule.
I'm sure you'd agree, therefore, that Harry wearing his late grandmother's gifted medals (not for military service, btw, but Jubilee commemorative ones) was in the same vein. Medals he got for being a Prince.
I am sure you would also be critical of him wearing said decorations when presenting an award the other week from his back door. Reports are that he was paid a generous fee: I have yet to see that denied.

Yes, what could that be, @CoffeeCantata ?
I think possibly Meghan's online Trad Wife business. Harry? No idea.

I wonder if all the SM posts about ‘where is Kate’ by the Sussex squad and the vicious allegations about William was the final straw for the King.

Possibly, considering two of the ones helping to drive the frenzy, were people who work closely with H&M, Bouzy and Scobie.

I think the bottom line is Charles and William do not trust Harry.

The trust has gone. Every relationship needs to be built on trust.
How do you have a conversation with someone who you really don't trust? You talk about the mundane - the weather - tv programmes - sport.
Very difficult to do that with someone who is close family and desperate to get information out of you. Charles would feel like he was in a police investigation interview, any questions related to his health, Kates health, W&K kids, "no comment". And then even that would be reported.

It got absolutely toxic, didn't it?
Of course, neither Harry nor Meghan spoke out against this bullying, in spite of Meghan making a public speech about her experiences shortly before. Shame.

That's the problem, @Needanewname42 .
H&M have made a career out of complaining and victimhood. None of the RF would want to give him more ammunition, because you know it would be twisted. Harry thrives on it, so they have to stop him finding more things to get vexatious about.

They cut Meghan's family off for 'selling secrets' and going to the press, so they shouldn't be shocked at what's happened to them for doing the very same thing to Harry's family.

The hypocrisy and mental dissociation between their own actions and what they expect from others is mind boggling.

Of course Charles will be very cautious about seeing Harry from now on, he's proven he cannot be trusted.

You might want to check what board you're on. And click off if the topic under discussion is not to your liking.

I see Henry VIII here!

edit: apologies but photo didn’t attach and I don’t know how to do that. Techno phobe