american riviera orchard - what was that all about then?

[Tenmus]

It seems to have gone the same way as their Sussex Royal site. I don't know much about social media or PR, but this all seems pretty odd and ineffectual.

Only because giving up would mean living an ordinary life not the glamorous high profile one she think she deserves.

Yes, perhaps. In which case, you have to hope that she hits on something that works: they need to stand on their own two feet independently of RF drama, and she needs the success to be her authentic selfs/stand in her own truth/sit in her being/etc.

But she's already rich by most normal people's standards. Certainly not by Montecito standards, but I'm not sure how 'charity' appearances at a hospital are going to help here there.

The past 4 years have been a succession of half baked projects. She had a whole team to help her at Spotify and only came up with one lacklustre series, when many podcasters put out material on a weekly basis. Very little to show for Netflix either. Her silly book seems to be a one off too. The latest is a lifestyle brand which was 'launched' nearly 3 weeks ago, with no follow up. Definite pattern there.

I don't think taking on projects and giving up on them once they get too difficult is a sign of "persistence and resilience". Quite the opposite.

Don’t forget Limonada which was announced to great fanfare some time ago !

But she seems to just give up and do something different if it gets hard . I mean she didn’t even do most of her own Spotify podcasts, but dubbed them over and got some one else to do the interviews. She gave up being royal after 18 months and was already half out the door at the wedding.

they are multi multi millionaires. They had all the chances and they squandered them. By laziness, entitlement, poor behaviour etc.they just keep trying something new with no perseverance at all.

i really can’t see flipping to something new, never following through is a symbol of perseverance or resilience. The only example of that is staying married to harry. I couldn’t do it. That’s for sure, I’d have dumped his sorry arse a long time ago.

I'm not sure if it's resilience or desperation

I don’t know. They don’t seem to stick at anything. They don’t graft. They expect things just to work out as it’s them and for others to do it all for them, and instead of persevering and making it work they just start something else. We’ve had what 4 websites now on 4 years?

I read somewhere that a previous staff member said they always seemed really surprised they were expected to actually work, they appeared to think they would agree to something then that was it, they didn’t really actually have to do any graft , and I suspect that’s true.

i get it with harry. Id expect , now we know what he’s really like , for him to be lazy, work shy and entitled. But Megan grew up different, and she’s whole heartedly embraced Harry’s version of being royal, and thinks she just needs to waft about in expensive clothes , go to awards and give speeches. That everyone should do her bidding; and she doesn’t seem keen to be dissuaded of that idea. No matter how much they keep failing.

Well yes, that too

I hear what you're saying - but they are now in a world where very few celebrities do their own work. They ALL have minions doing it for them, you just don't get to hear about it normally.

Unless you have a career as an actor or musician, can you name a single person who has fame and fortune and who DOESN'T have an entire machine behind them? That's what the WME's of the world are paid for. MM's comparator is those people. She doesn't feel the need to put in the work, because nobody else does. Indeed, I imagine she feels that WME or Spotify or Netflix have been remiss in their duties to her because they haven't managed to pull a cat out of a hat for her.

It's not a coincidence that they're pally with the Kardashians: the family became famous because of a sex tape! There's no earned kudos. And the machine (which they were able to access because of deep Hollywood connections) behind them is enormous. Meghan Markle is a parvenu: she arrived 3 or 4 years ago, with no talent, and a husband who used to have a machine behind him but which they spurned.

As for being multi-millionaires: you're looking down to compare. They look up. By Montecito standards, they're "poor". It's like moving to, say, Kensington and living in a 3-bed apartment on a busy road with no parking, trying to keep up with the Beckhams who not only have a gorgeous detached house with staff and parking at the better end of the neighbourhood, but also a massive house in the Cotswolds and LA and a yacht in Miami.

Literally all they have going for them is the connection to the RF that they derided, but they want to run with the richer set.

Agree with everything posters have said - plus they have the hides of a herd of rhinos. It would seem neither of them has ever experienced a hot flush of embarrassment.

Another point - why is Meghan happy for these hospital children to be photographed with her but guards her own children’s privacy so carefully?

i get it with harry. Id expect , now we know what he’s really like , for him to be lazy, work shy and entitled. But Megan grew up different, and she’s whole heartedly embraced Harry’s version of being royal, and thinks she just needs to waft about in expensive clothes , go to awards and give speeches. That everyone should do her bidding; and she doesn’t seem keen to be dissuaded of that idea. No matter how much they keep failing.

I agree.

There is no doubt that M will have put in the hours, done the graft and put herself out and about to make it. In a sea of budding actresses she bobbed up to the surface through graft. And that takes some doing.

I have said before that H has done her a huge disservice in promising her the moon and saying that she could probably have it with nothing more than a gracious smile and a waft of chiffon.

M needs to fall back on what got her mingling with princes and millionaires. She was determined and resilient enough there. Apply that tenacity to a business and many would thrive.

I’m not sure she should be banking on H being of much use.

Very true.

But also remarkably thin-skinned.

I think M thought she was getting a deal. Free palace, free designer clothes and lots of servants she could boss around in exchange for turning up and waving a bit every now and then. She expected the public to think she was the Second Coming of Diana because she married Diana’s son.

She still thinks she’s entitled to a deal. This time a mansion in LA, a celebrity lifestyle and lots of money for just signing things and wafting about in expensive clothes. I really struggle to understand the mentality behind it all.

Harry is just a juggler in the garden really. Waiting for his Minder to let him in.

A juggler in the garden.

And a modern day jester.

I hear what you're saying - but they are now in a world where very few celebrities do their own work. They ALL have minions doing it for them, you just don't get to hear about it normally.

I don't agree. Taylor Swift has to get out there and perform, night after night. Margot Robbie had to get up at 5 in the morning, do long days on set, spend years persuading people to take on the 'Barbie' project and then do a hectic promotional tour. Cristiano Ronaldo has to get out there and play. And so on.

Yes, I know you said we should exclude actors and musicians, but even reality stars work. The Kardashians had a long running TV show. They get out there, pose for pictures, cooperate with the media and meet their fans. What does Meghan do except the occasional pseudo royal 'appearance' with photos weeks after the fact?

Sure, all these people have teams behind them to smooth the way. But so did Meghan. She had a huge team at Spotify, and still only came up with one flop series. I'm sure lots of help was given to her and her husband by Netflix too. It's in their interests to see their investments pay off. But they just didn't care. They have no work ethic. No wonder the deals are drying up.

I agree. I don't think they have the 'herd of a rhino' at all. They are both massively intolerant of any criticism. They're just completely lacking in self awareness and don't understand what they might be doing wrong.

because I have nothing better to do with my life I looked at the TM application

It was set up under a company called Mama Knows Best LLC 😂

They are probably expecting a big cheque to reveal the kids or maybe they’re waiting for a big RF event....like George’s coronation.

William's coronation more like.

People will have completely lost interest by the time the jam appears

Don't face cream etc take years to develop? I don't think Estée Lauder will be worried quite yet

I think so Salem.

Although they might have been working on creams and jams for years.

It is a tricky market. And I do think it would be better to have items that don’t have a shelf life.

Until they get really established.