The Princess of Wales..

[CurlewKate]

I just wanted to share some thoughts I've had since talking to some RL friends last night. I'm a Republican, and didn't actually post much on any of the threads on here. But I did read them, laugh at the ones I found funny and speculated a little IRL. I enjoy robust mental health, but I feel a little sad and down today about the news. And a little guilty. It occurs to me that it might be a real source of distress to some other people. Not the big media ghouls, of course, they have no shame and will just move on to the next thing without looking back, but for those of us who bought in to the whole farrago and maybe posted things we now wish we hadn't. So remember, the media often manipulates us, the establishment often lies to us and it's actually a good thing not to immediately take what we're told at face value. Don't beat yourself up and find someone to talk to if you feel really bad about it. Take care of yourselves.

@themessygarden Nothing will be forgotten by the people with good sense and self respect.

Yes, what is that? No one we see efforts to get threads and posts pulled. An attempt at sweeping away the evidence

The same happened with Covid. About the time the enquiry opened there was a long thread with the OP asking MN to delete covid chat. It looked to some people like there was an effort to show that MN (the biggest site for women in the UK and an influential one at that) was wholly in support of what the govt did during the pandemic.

I've seen it all now. Get rid of the monarchy because of the pressure it puts on them 🙄 and don't talk about them - yet here you are .

Yes exactly.

I'm assuming the 'etc' is head on a pole on London Bridge. 😅

For @Spectre8

I'm allowed to be here, as are you, and I have been saying exactly the same thing for years on these threads.

Seriously, I think monarchists need to consider, if you really care about these people, is it worth it for what it subjects them to? Why do we need birthday pictures of small children we don't know to make us feel better? Why do we need any of this coverage? Why are we content for this to continue and fill the coffers of major news magnates who don't give a shit about the uk?

Another thing. The "let's leave her alone" from the camp that were bombarding this board with conspiracy theories is misguided. We have always left Catherine alone and William. The people we have not left alone is the people going after them Catherine and William. What you mean is, "leave me alone and stop showing me up. No.

More popular why? Because she has cancer? How patronising of you.

The apology - such as it was - from Blake was all about her though. “i’m sure no-one cares (bout poor little old me). I’m mortified. I made a Silly post about a photoshop fails frenzy” . Followed by an I’m sorry.

Blake made it all about her feelings from what I can see.

Would she have apologised if the statement about cancer hadn’t come out? I doubt it. Perhaps folk are fair game - depending on the diagnosis.

No one wants her demonised. But it isn’t an apology if you don’t acknowledge the person you’ve hurt.

I hope I misunderstood your post but it came across that you were doubting what we have been told about the Princess of Wales health because in her broadcast she didn't look as others have looked during treatment.

As others have pointed out, she said she was in the early stages of treatment, the full side effects, including impact on hair, do not appear immediately.

Also, as pointed out, not all chemo causes hair loss and for those forms of chemo that do cause hair loss some of them respond to use of the cold cap.

I used a cold cap. Not pleasant but effective for me. My hair did thin but mostly around the edges and really only myself and my hairdresser would have known.

@naturesform probably as a backlash to all the twats and ghouls on social media. People don’t want to be associated with them and will feel sympathy and support for RF, regardless of cancer diagnosis.

I certainly wouldn’t want to think I have anything in common with some of the awful posters on here

Seriously, I think monarchists need to consider, if you really care about these people, is it worth it for what it subjects them to? Why do we need birthday pictures of small children we don't know to make us feel better? Why do we need any of this coverage? Why are we content for this to continue and fill the coffers of major news magnates who don't give a shit about the uk?

Is this the royal 'we'? because I can safely say I don't need birthday pictures, nr do I need the wall to wall coverage unless it's a major constitutional event. I wade into these threads because a) I'm broadly supportive of monarchy as an institution and b) on a personal level I regard some of the attacks on them we've seen the last few months as disgusting and inhumane - and I'd defend a colleague or friend subjected to abuse in the same way.

The coverage in papers will continue as long as the RF generate clicks. Just like any other celeb. I have to say though, that if I were a member of the RF right now, is it worth it is something I'd be thinking long and hard about. Especially if I had young children.

No I think the poster means more popular because now even those who were not previously majority have heard about the way she has been trolled and seen the dignified way in which she has handled herself and the situation

The abysmal handling of the situation by KP has facilitated the airing of some useful and legitimate criticism of the rf. The phrase 'conspiracy theories' isn't convincing when used with the aim of shutting down legitimate criticism which is what appears to be happening on these threads. Some extreme theories are out of the window for sure but the fact that Kate's doctors have recommended preventative chemotherapy doesn't mean that a significant number of things said about William in particular isn't correct. Kate's course of treatment isn't an either/ or with much of the other stuff which has been levelled.

Also, there's a certain amount of unedifying smug going on at the moment - and it's very clearly not coming from those who called out certain members of the rf for how they conduct themselves in all manner of dubious ways. So when there are all these calls for looking at selves in mirrors, check yourselves out maybe?

But the two things aren't mutually exclusive, it's possible to feel sympathy for them on a personal level whilst remaining a republican. And if anything, the whole thing just reinforces why we shouldn't have such a prominent RF to be speculated over in the first place.

Damn. Missed the edit time out 😆

should say “even the majority who had not previously heard”

I’d rather we could get rid of all the ghouls on social media, the world would be a better place without them

I’ll add getting rid of the Daily Mail

I’m sure many will ‘check ourselves’.

But I won’t be doing it on the say so of a poster who has nc’d just to tell people off on this thread.

I think people are missing the basic point that Katherine, William and their children could be left entirely alone to lead their lives in peace if we had an elected head of state. No one would be interested in them at all if they were ordinary citizens. They wouldn't need a PR strategy. They wouldn't have people trying to access their private medical records. Yes all of the internet trolling and ridiculous conspiracy theories were completely awful, as were some of the Mumsnet threads, but all of these issues arose out of them being members of the RF and them needing to be in the public eye, because that is how the monarchy works. No one seems to be saying this!

I would never dream of offending your future Queen.

No one would be interested in them at all if they were ordinary citizens.

Don't kid yourself.

Surely, if it wasn't the Royal family who were the subject of all the gossip and innuendo, it would be the " elected head of state" or some such. It's not the subject of the hatred and abuse that should be the focus of change, it should be those who promote and propagate the abuse and gossip that should!

Apologies, too many " shoulds" in there!

Yes MrsDanversGlidesAgain I think what these past few weeks have shown is that the majority of sane UK citizens like yourself probably would be content for the RF to appear very occasionally on state occasions and leave them in peace the rest of the time. I do think they would have to slim down to the bone though to do that and massively reduce their property portfolio. But I think that horse has already bolted given the media circus that inevitably surrounds them, largely thanks to the financial gains of, and machinations by, unscrupulous press organisations. It's simply not possible to draw back from the insanity now it has gone so far.