Kate has cancer

[Doseofreality]

Breaking news.

Yes, it’s sad if that’s the case. But it doesn’t necessarily follow that Harry expected to be told. He lives very far from his family now and relations are strained, he probably knows he can’t expect to be told everything.

I just had a quick Google and it says Harry was told about Kate’s diagnosis before Kate’s announcement in a low risk way, whatever that means.

I'm not so invested in this family that I give it much thought, beyond reflecting occasionally that actions have consequences, and if you betray your family you shouldn't really be surprised when they decide that they aren't going to trust you with family business.

Harry is more than just on the bottom of the list. He is an added pain that they have to consider possibly when there is trouble like this. Do we tell Harry? When do we tell Harry? He is an added thorn in their side. I imagine it is the last thing anyone wants to think about - an attention seeking, big mouthed baby.

This sounds a bit like the conflicting stories over whether Harry found out the queen had died from the news (his version), or whether they delayed the announcement until he had been told (RF version). Or whether Harry was alone at school and informed by a courtier that the QM had died (his version) or was he skiing with his father and brother at the time (real-life version).

Who knows, but in any case, the report claiming he was told in advance makes it clear how they approach these things now with Harry: "telling them shortly before the TV broadcast meant they couldn't complain about being ignored while at the same time the palace would know there was less of a risk the couple might spill the beans before Kate's broadcast".

In that case who said Harry had to find out from the media? Why does Harry allow others to say these things about him without his consent? He's happy to make statements about other things and he was happy to tell the world everything before. Why is he so shy now?

It probably means you're reading a gossip site, as there's no way that would have been put out officially

No, it’s a news site. And my wording should have told you that I don’t particularly believe what the press say, so no need for your snark.

Literally, wtaf have H & M got do with any of the Royals any more?
Harry is fifth in line to the throne. Together, Harry and Meghan are parents to the sixth and seventh in line to the throne. Whatever you think of their behaviour – personally I think they’ve behaved badly on occasion, justifiably on occasion, and have been demonised for the sport of the tabloids; I’m neither TeamKate nor SussexSquad and think a huge part of the royals’ problem is the competitiveness and polarisation of human beings – asking what the fuck have they got to do with the royals is pretty silly. They have both personal and official connections. Whether they deserve those is a separate question, and a constitutional one, rather than something to be decided by Mumsnet jury.

It's an article in the Mirror @WinnieTheW0rm

I wonder if H&M are kicking themselves for bailing when they did - if they had stuck it out for just a few more years they would have likely had a much more senior role to play.
Although I guess they wanted the freedom to do other stuff.

Nobody knows what's really gone on between William and Harry or the 2 couples. Only they know that.

I think it's extraordinary that after Harry flying to see Charles that he was only with him for a few minutes, but again nobody really knows whether that was justified on Charles' part or not.

It's incredibly hypocritical to not want to hear a word said against the RF, but to be quite happy to slag off Harry and Meghan. You don't know any of them.

I have no allegiance one way or another btw. There's probably fault on both sides.

Personal connections? There are effectively nc with his family and the official 'in line to the throne' connection doesnt mean much really. William has plenty of heirs.

This isn't specific to a 'mumsnet jury' it is the general opinion wherever you look in the media or online.

'and think a huge part of the royals’ problem is the competitiveness and polarisation of human beings'

Part of the problem is the media and online hysteria. Sadly Harry has fed it all with all his tales of woe and airing his jealousy amd resentment. He has become what he loathes, a media blabbermouth.

I was only thinking this today, if relationships had been good and they had stayed as working royals they would probably be representing the King, front and centre on the world stage keeping the Royal ship steady, leading the family to church on Easter Sunday, possibly taking the place of Charles on planned visits to the commonwealth, their profile would have soared in a really positive way, they wanted to be seen as equals to William and Kate and although that would never be the case, this would have been their opportunity to really shine, but they are architects of their own fate, I don’t think Meghan ever wanted royal life anyway she seems to be happy with her new ventures, Harry though…….jury’s out.

If you write a relationship ending book it not going to come as a surprise relationships end or are never the same again. As Harry has found out, he had control of putting it all out there, he’s lost control of putting a line in the sand to finish it. Why shouldn’t people gossip about books and interviews that sole intent is to let the world know the ins and outs of their lives. The fact he’s done it means he can do it again, it places emotional blackmail on his relationship, disagree or don’t give me what I want it is in book 2. I would not allow my children anywhere near him for their privacy.

Effectively nc aside from being in contact. You might dismiss “the official 'in line to the throne' connection” as “not mean[ing] much really” but that doesn’t make it true, any more than my wish to live in a republic magically makes it happen. It currently means quite a lot: Charles is ill, no one knows how ill. Would William want the throne right now with his wife ill? Would he abdicate? That would land George with it, who’d need a regent, and look who’s next in line to take up that role… He’d have to move back, of course, but perhaps that’s looking likely given his visa-related issues because of the drug admissions.

Unfortunately for royalists, Harry and Andrew and other people they’d prefer to sweep under the carpet do still have wtaf to do with the royals. That’s how it works.

Haha! Dream on if you think William would ever abdicate and allow Harry to be Regent for George, whether Harry gets kicked out of the US for lying on his visa application or not 😂
(Which I'm sure he won't, what with the spectacular defence that he made up what was in his book)

'Effectively nc aside from being in contact.'

Ok. Mega low contact except inviting himself over for a 30min visit to see his df who'd announced his diagnosis. He was quickly shown the door.

Harry has shown himself to be an untrustworthy arse, so barring a Christmas card off his df I doubt he'll ever be in much contact again. I'm not a 'royalist' I just don't like whiny hypocrites moaning about the media then running to the very same media to gossip.

'Would William want the throne right now with his wife ill? Would he abdicate? That would land George with it, who’d need a regent, and look who’s next in line to take up that role…'

William abdicate and Harry return to be regent to George. Seriously 🤣🤣

Oh I don’t think he will either! I’m just trying to point out the ridiculousness of saying that H&M have nothing to do with royalty. Either you believe in the royal system and its constitutional role, the line of succession, the official ins and outs, etc, in which case Harry is unarguably part of that. Or you think it’s all meaningless nonsense, in which case that applies to all the family members you like, too, not just the troublesome one(s).

But I do wonder if privately William and Kate have considered the shit position they’re in now as parents: when one parent is quite seriously ill you wouldn’t want the other to go off and be king, especially when they’re financially privileged enough to wind down work and just focus on the children. In the other hand, abdicating and making your child a child king is about the worst thing you could do. Personally in Wills’s shoes I’d be awake a lot at night, wondering if something would magically happen to take the decisions and problems away from me. Because either road ahead of him now looks a bit shit, really.

Yes that’s absolutely correct @pelargoniums though I don’t for one moment think William would abdicate for Harry to become Regent, I think William is made of stern stuff and he will inherit the crown no matter what and will work with George very closely over the coming years supporting his son to become Monarch, he won’t allow Harry to have any influence over George, he won’t get a look in. Harry will only be Regent if William dies before George is 18.

If a Regent was needed I am sure Parliament would pass a bill PDQ to bypass Harry...

But why on earth would William abdicate because Kate is ill? Limit his engagements, sure, but not abdicate.

Let's face it, Harry is too divisive and toxic a figure to have public support for any constitutional role (as is Andrew, before anyone wants to bring him into the discussion!).

I would have thought being king is a pretty good position to be in if your wife is seriously ill - plenty of money, surrounded by help and advisors, an understanding public, he could easily do minimal engagements as and when necessary. It's not like he has to turn up at a factory every morning or lose his income, or go on benefits because one salary has gone.

Anyway, he's not even king yet, Charles could easily have another 10 years in him and hopefully Kate will come through her treatment after a few months and will remain well after that. I doubt he's spending much time worrying about abdicating and allowing Harry to be regent for George.

All hail Queen Anne!

Also a monarch has to be of sound mind, I think from Harry’s own words and drug taking he would be bypassed as Regent by the Government as unsuitable for the position.

Agreed @Hughs William could enlist the help of the Counsellors of State, Anne and Edward when required, he would be very well supported as King.