Harry and Meghan are so petty and bitter

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They knew that announcing Meghan's new venture would be big news. So they dropped it 45 minutes before William was due to speak yesterday evening. At an awards ceremony dedicated to harry and William's mother's memory.

But that wasn't good enough. Oh no. They then announced the winner of their own awards. While the Diana awards were still going on and Prince William was handing out prizes.

Is there no level this petty, bitter couple won't sink to?!

The republicans stance on H&M is very difficult to get your head around for sure. I get defending their right to leave and make a life, but the parading of titles, the pompous announcements and statements from ‘the office of the Duke and Duchess’. How is this supportable? Doesn’t it just prove that they actually have no objections to being royal, they just want it on their own terms?

They are so litigious that when they don’t it leaves a bit of a stench. It leaves them open to either being connected and as they say so themselves compliant when its their name being used to drag others. They could do absolute nothing and in most cases I don’t believe they have but they do little to separate themselves from the six degrees of separation from those spouting crap. The royal family have money, have risen previous scandals, have Andrew to contend with they’ve been here before. Harry and Meghan are starting with a wad of cash from new. They already have all the mud flying that they can’t seem to draw a line under in fact the mud flying from supporter all sides has increased. Sussex squad seem more intent on bringing Kate and William down than promoting the new PR adventure and the link between Sussex squad and Harry and Meghan and the social media guy hired by them who is having weekly meetings on his platform with the squad, does not help

Who is ‘them’?

There are several posts along this line and I really think it’s low to say that posters who don’t dislike Harry and Meghan must have low morals, not see reality etc etc It’s unreal the ways people with different opinions are being discussed.

I do wonder whether there is ever a point where some of the entrenched supporters will maybe start to wonder if perhaps they weren’t the people they have built them up to be?

Who has built them up? They don’t need to be perfect or saintly to have supporters or people that simply don’t like the level of criticism and harassment they’ve faced.

Yes agreed. Meghan is desperate to make money, she piggybacks onto anything related to the royal family. Harry is a wet drip. I used to like Harry, now I cannot stand the pair of them. Money hungry and shown their true colours. You don't shit on your family for fame and fortune, everyone knows that. They have no loyalty to their own family, and that applies on both sides.

Well OK. I see your point claiming that people who like Hand M do see reality and don't have low morals.

Let's try a thought experiment. Do you think the Oprah interview (circumstances which I've described above..dying grandparents who you knew were dying, making up lies about racism broadcast to the whole world timed during BLM for maximum damage to your family and to people unable to defend themselves, doing it for the spash to launch yourself in a country to earn filthy lucre) was done by good people or bad people? If you think a good person does that and that there are "reasons" or "defences" I'd think that was an interesting take.

Sussex squad seem more intent on bringing Kate and William down

I saw SS trending on Twitter last night & foolishly had a look at the posts.

Unbelievable. They're nothing but a shower of bullies. It seems odd that when they're such vocal supporters of H&M and calling out anyone that speaks out against them, they have no qualms about being vicious about other RF members

Their hatred of W&C is quite disconcerting & really not normal. Last night they were trying to get a nickname they'd come up with for William trending so they were # it in all their posts. A nickname referring to his baldness. It just smacks of mean girl bullying. Calling someone names because of their hair? Ironic when you see Harry is thinning fast.

I made the mistake of asking a question to one lunatic. Just saying did they really think bullying and insulting people under the Sussex name was really what they thought H&M would want of their fans. They accused me of bullying Meghan & threatened to break my legs. At that point I hit the block button.

Theyre definitely to be pitied because their posts are not those of sane rational people.

The Sussesxes must be aware of them. I wonder what their thoughts are. Are they happy using their name to post all the hate. Personally I'd be publicly distancing myself from them

It speaks volumes that they don't distance themselves from their 'fans' or Omid Scobie. You are the company you keep.

A decent Sussex Squad would be hell-bent on getting the word out about the Orchard Riviera thing and trying to build anticipation.

A nasty Sussex Squad thinks it’s far more fun to try to tear down William and Kate, perpetrate false rumours and sneer at a cancer-stricken woman with three young children.

Like I said they H and M keeping finding themselves getting linked to crap they’d be better off avoiding, mainly due to fast PR decisions and poor vetting. Netflix documentary social media expert last night

Well you’ve framed that from your perspective, haven’t you? That’s why you can’t accept other peoples perspectives as anything other than people have ‘low morals’ or whatever. People see that situation very differently from you, they see the royal family and their behaviour very differently than you. That does not mean people have low morals, are stupid, don’t see reality or anything like that.

Would you like it if a bunch of posters started saying that people who support the monarchy or like King Charles or Prince William, have low morals, believe in an unequal society, and are supporting men who hang out with and defend sex abusers?

It’s one thing to share an opinion about a situation, it’s quite another to say anyone else who doesn’t share your opinions about another families bust-up must not have good morals or must be stupid.

It speaks volumes that they don't distance themselves from their 'fans' or Omid Scobie. You are the company you keep.

The same could be said for any other member of the royal family who don’t constantly distance themselves from royal supporters who write racist, sexist, nasty insults about H & M, or from journalists like Jeremy Clarkson and Piers Morgan- Clarkson is a known friend of Camilla’s.

Would you like it if a bunch of posters started saying that people who support the monarchy or like King Charles or Prince William, have low morals, believe in an unequal society, and are supporting men who hang out with and defend sex abusers?

Where have you been? That’s par for the course here on the royals board at Mumsnet for anyone who doesn’t think Meghan and Harry are paragons! 🤣🤣

So Meghan gives a speech about online bullying and hate, giving the impression that she is against such things.

Then the world goes mad with speculation about the P & PoW, and the 'Sussex Squad' begins a relentless campaign of hate and vitriol directed at W & C, starting rumours of domestic violence, affairs, murder, children with affair partners and divorce. It's the worst and largest example of online bullying that
I've ever seen (and I'm a terf on X, so I'm no stranger to it).

Meghan says nothing, and I don't believe for one minute that she isn't aware that this is all being done in support of them. She could call Christopher Bouzy and have it stopped, and she would've done, if she'd meant a single word of her speech.

Have a go at answering the original question though. Good person/bad person. Its important to deal with the actual truth rather than subjective truth. Try and consider the evidence using information that is backed up by at least one independent witness to the racisim allegation rather than just hearsay from Meghan repeating what Harry told her.

Although as we know, Harry admitted he lied anyway. So let's consider this conundrum. Do you think a good person or a bad person would make up a lie about racism to the world?

I don’t think it is the worst example of online bullying by any stretch, but if you favour one couple over the other and only expect one side to speak out, you might do.

Neither Kate or Meghan should be held responsible for any media or online hate or nastiness the other experiences. There are always these double standards around Meghan. It’s a shame.

As I said, the way you’ve framed that question is from your perspective and I don’t agree with that perspective. I don’t agree that any lie about racism happened. Once again you’re trying to force your beliefs and present them as facts, this is why you can’t accept or tolerate other opinions.

Well that's not true for a start. Kate just hasn't given any ammunition as she hasn't behaved in any way badly. Meghan has. There's no double standard there. Just standards.

As I've remarked in previous posts, there's no point in trying to argue with a True Believer. But it's so interesting to see.

@Walkingwashingmachine Do you believe it’s racist to question or discuss the possible skin colour of a mixed race baby? Do you understand why some people will feel othered by that kind of discussion?
If someone says they’re concerned about what the reaction might be to a darker baby, is that racist to you? Do you think the fact neo Nazis were also asking those same questions, some have been imprisoned for threatening Harry, plays into the reactions people have had to that?

I don’t know what ‘True Believer’ means but may I point out that the moderators have repeatedly asked we keep to discussing peoples posts. Please refrain from referring to me as a ‘true believer’ or anything of that nature. I’m simply another poster, with different opinions. Thanks.

As I've already suggested, it would be helpful to have the testimony of one independent witness to the claim of racism or even that the comment happended in the first place before we can judge whether it's true. Otherwise its just conjecture. And also the person who originally claimed they heard it has backtracked.

So you don’t want to answer my questions? That’s fine.