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Harry and Meghan are so petty and bitter

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BigFluffyHoodie · 15/03/2024 10:30

They knew that announcing Meghan's new venture would be big news. So they dropped it 45 minutes before William was due to speak yesterday evening. At an awards ceremony dedicated to harry and William's mother's memory.

But that wasn't good enough. Oh no. They then announced the winner of their own awards. While the Diana awards were still going on and Prince William was handing out prizes.

Is there no level this petty, bitter couple won't sink to?!

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MrsFinkelstein · 17/03/2024 11:07

"I assumed she would be treated at least as badly as Kate was at the beginning. I was completely taken off guard by the avalanche of negative stories and the fact that she was not protected by RF."

This is just not true. BP put out several statements correcting untrue stories about Meghan, far more than for any other Royal during that time.

What they didn't do was respond to every single negative post on SM by randomuser7530972 - which is apparently what H&M wanted.

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MrsFinkelstein · 17/03/2024 11:08

Few more.

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Walkingwashingmachine · 17/03/2024 12:08

What I think happened is Meghan is a particular type of person. We've all met people like that. Very charming and friendly when she wants something but then if things don't go her way, plays the ruthless victim. Drops anyone that might not be quite perfect for the type of person she sees herself as at any particular time. Takes herself very seriously. When she met Harry she was in the role of "successful actress/philanthropist" which is how she socially climbed and felt she could easily slot in to the RF. Unfortunately for her Britain is still a class-based society. The divisions are in class not racism. Meghan was dropped into the highest upper classes and Royal circles and was a fish out of water as her upbringing would not have prepared her for that sort of life/rules/how to behave...for example, holding her knife and fork in the American way which is different from the British way..all the tiny little things you do in those circles that mark you out as different. She also refuses to take advice and Harry will know these rules from.birth so will assume she knows the etiquette in social sotuations as everyone else he knows does. I bet the family were charming to her and none of them gave a shit but there will most definitely have been people who were snobbish to her which would have made her very uncomfortable and feel inadequate (just like Kate sufferred but Kate played the game). How she dealt with it caused all the problems. Rather than just be herself, be an American from poor (allegedly) background which most people would respond to and get people to know and love her with Harry's support, she fled and blamed her not fitting in on racism in the whole of the UK. Rather than just accepting she is different and own it as most people don't care!

SecretSoul · 17/03/2024 12:27

tuppence0 · 17/03/2024 07:19

@SecretSoul

Here you go. I've done some homework for you. Articles from 2016.

Only a blind deaf person living in a cave didn't realise she was biracial.

We can all pull up press reports pet. Here’s another one from the Guardian- not a single reference to Meghan being biracial in the whole piece.

The fact you’ve had to resort to Refinery and CBC to find other headlines suggests that it wasn’t instantly commonplace. I don’t know anyone who would get their news from those types of sites.

While many newspapers may have run bios, it seems to have escaped your notice that not everyone went furrowing around for Meghan’s background. The BBC certainly didn’t lead with a headline saying “Harry’s new girlfriend is half black, did you know?”

For many of us, our interest went as far as “ah Harry’s got a serious girlfriend, they look happy together, how lovely.” There were much more compelling things going on in the world.

I’m not really interested in celebrity news. I’ve only started to take an interest in the royals since it’s been thrust in our face and been so controversial. I know lots of people like that. They read the news for actual news, and don’t visit puff sites like Refinery.

I’m not suggesting that the information wasn’t put out there to find if you were interested but lots of people just assumed she was maybe part Latino, had Mediterranean heritage, or was just olive skinned etc etc. Meghan is very light-skinned hence why so much has been written since about colourism.

If I get a light tan, I’m typically mistaken for being Asian. I’m Caucasian but my skin tone and overall colouring isn’t much different to Meghan. I’m much darker than her when I have a tan. I have an (English) friend who is part Native American on his mum’s side. His complexion and hair colour etc is almost identical to Meghan.

The point being it wasn’t immediately obvious from looking at her that she’s biracial.

Of course the information about Meghan being biracial did start to filter out and it became widely known. Of course it did.

But myself and PP on here have said that we didn’t realise initially and that’s the same for many people. Also, it’s not really that interesting. I don’t really care about Meghan’s background any more than I care about Catherine’s family. We all watched William and Harry endure an unspeakable loss when they were just children and it was just nice to see them both with partners who made them happy.

But let’s assume you’re right and lots of people could magically tell right away. Apart from a very small minority, everyone seemed delighted about Meghan and Harry. If the country was as racist as claimed, there wouldn’t have been such an outpouring of love for the couple.

My whole point is that as soon as anyone criticises Meghan, without exception someone will come along and claim it’s due to racism. Despite the fact that Meghan was loved up to the wedding and beyond. Despite the fact that Meghan has criticised the royal family/UK. Despite the fact that Meghan has behaved in very controversial ways/gone against traditions. You don’t think for a single second that perhaps, just perhaps, the change in public perception is actually nothing to do with her ethnicity, and more to do with her behaviour? Pointing a finger and claiming mass racism is intellectually lazy. By all means support Meghan and debate why other interpretations of her behaviour are unfair. But to have no argument than to bleat “racism” suggests that the lies and bad behaviour coming from Meghan are actually indefensible.

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Allaboutthegrift · 17/03/2024 12:41
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@SecretSoul @MrsFinkelstein

Well said.

Grrrpredictivetex · 17/03/2024 12:53

Salemforcuddles · 15/03/2024 17:28

@MarmaladeMarkle @Allaboutthegrift You two have really given me a laugh 🤣🤣

Fabulous can't stop laughing out loud. My husband thinks I've lost the plat. 😂😂

eise · 17/03/2024 14:42

themessygarden · 17/03/2024 08:45

Eise, I have only read your first paragraph, so that's what I am responding to.

I think there is no doubt there were some people who did not like her because of being an american, an actress and others who were racist towards her.

However, I think most people are like me though, who very much liked her, and didn't care that she was american, an actress or mixed race, and who thought they did the right thing by taking that year off to hang out in Canada.

If I went back over my old posts on MN I would have been classed as a Meghan 'fan'. My first eye raise for her and Harry started with their passive aggressive statements when they didn't get the half in / half out, but my overall view was 'good on them for walking away, can't have been an easy decision'. Initially, I didn't believe they had been involved in Finding Freedom, eventually proved in court that they were indeed involved. I loved their engagement interview and defended them when a few posters here said she came across as 'fake', years later Meghan admitted it was staged. As time has gone on there are so many other incidents that have thrown a different light on the kind of person she, and Harry, are. I now view her totally differently to how I did at the beginning.

I also will admit that I didn't realise she was mixed race, and I have mixed race children of my own, for a long time I thought she had a latino heritage, I don't think I was the only one who made that mistake.

I also read your first paragraph and will not offer a response unfortunately.

eise · 17/03/2024 14:43

@Loulou599 No idea what you're on about.

themessygarden · 17/03/2024 15:32

@SecretSoul very well said !

Allaboutthegrift · 17/03/2024 15:45

I think most with eyes have every idea.

And it is a shame when a measured and reasoned post is met with disdain and dismissal.

A shame.

But not a surprise.

ChVrches · 17/03/2024 16:06

On reflection and from here in 2024 I can possibly see know why the Duchess of Sussex struggled with her role in the Royal Family. It has become clear that she is very ambitious and that she maybe felt that there was nowhere for her to progress within the Royal Family due to lines of inheritance. She was used to scrambling up the ladder of fame but too late realised she had reached the top rung in that family. She seems to like to march to her own beat so a split was inevitable. She can do her own thing, call her own shots and get back on that ladder. Unfortunately she seems to be oblivious to any public perception of her which is needed for her brand to succeed.

ThisGreyPoster · 17/03/2024 16:15

Woman who marry into the Royal Family are supposed to be beautiful, well dressed, have no public opinions, and support their man. They are supposed to be grateful for marrying into the Royal family.
Meghan already had a career and was old and accomplished enough to think Harry was also lucky to be marrying her, and he seemed to agree. She had her own opinions and did not just want to be a clothes horse. She also challenged Harry's friends when they were sexist or racist.
It was never going to be okay. That is why Diana was originally chosen to marry Charles. They knew only a quiet person happy to go with the flow would be okay in the family. Except Diana grew up and turned out not to be at all like that.
Kate has done okay because she is naturally quiet and her real interests seem to be her children and parents. So she seems happy to go with the flow with the Royal Family and do what they want.
The issues is the Royal Family, not the women who marry into it.

Allaboutthegrift · 17/03/2024 16:21

I daresay there would have been no problem with the Royal Family if Harry had been born first.

The issue was not with the role but the billing.

Walkingwashingmachine · 17/03/2024 16:32

ChVrches · 17/03/2024 16:06

On reflection and from here in 2024 I can possibly see know why the Duchess of Sussex struggled with her role in the Royal Family. It has become clear that she is very ambitious and that she maybe felt that there was nowhere for her to progress within the Royal Family due to lines of inheritance. She was used to scrambling up the ladder of fame but too late realised she had reached the top rung in that family. She seems to like to march to her own beat so a split was inevitable. She can do her own thing, call her own shots and get back on that ladder. Unfortunately she seems to be oblivious to any public perception of her which is needed for her brand to succeed.

Nah. She made an utter twat of herself (writing on bananas, lecturing us all when we had no idea who she was, being utterly socially inept) and had to get out of the UK within 2 years. Unfortunately once a twat always a twat and that will follow her around wherever she goes sadly.

Roussette · 17/03/2024 16:58

I know one person that works at One25 the Bristol charity and one who volunteers on the night bus. It is a fantastic charity
I know from them how much they valued her visit so no, she wasn't a 'twat'

Walkingwashingmachine · 17/03/2024 17:01

Roussette · 17/03/2024 16:58

I know one person that works at One25 the Bristol charity and one who volunteers on the night bus. It is a fantastic charity
I know from them how much they valued her visit so no, she wasn't a 'twat'

Yes it's a shame she couldn't overcome the twat problem on a permanent basis. She could have done a lot of good if everything was arranged for her by the Royal family (like those visits you refer to) and she just rolled up and behaved. Unfortunately Meghan knows best. So that's why things have gone so downhill.

PinkTonic · 17/03/2024 17:33

Roussette · 17/03/2024 16:58

I know one person that works at One25 the Bristol charity and one who volunteers on the night bus. It is a fantastic charity
I know from them how much they valued her visit so no, she wasn't a 'twat'

Was her patronage and visit more valued than other members of the RF and their charities? It seems a bit odd to acknowledge her contribution whilst writing the rest of them off as a waste of space.

Roussette · 17/03/2024 17:35

PinkTonic · 17/03/2024 17:33

Was her patronage and visit more valued than other members of the RF and their charities? It seems a bit odd to acknowledge her contribution whilst writing the rest of them off as a waste of space.

I have a personal connection to this charity through people I know. I don't think it's odd to write of that

PinkTonic · 17/03/2024 17:43

Roussette · 17/03/2024 17:35

I have a personal connection to this charity through people I know. I don't think it's odd to write of that

Perhaps I wasn’t clear in the point I was making. You acknowledge, and now personally endorse, the value of the patronage of this particular member of the RF. At the same time my understanding is that you consider the rest of the members of the RF to have no useful function. I’m interested in how you reconcile the opposing positions.

Quackquacky · 17/03/2024 17:44

themessygarden · 17/03/2024 08:45

Eise, I have only read your first paragraph, so that's what I am responding to.

I think there is no doubt there were some people who did not like her because of being an american, an actress and others who were racist towards her.

However, I think most people are like me though, who very much liked her, and didn't care that she was american, an actress or mixed race, and who thought they did the right thing by taking that year off to hang out in Canada.

If I went back over my old posts on MN I would have been classed as a Meghan 'fan'. My first eye raise for her and Harry started with their passive aggressive statements when they didn't get the half in / half out, but my overall view was 'good on them for walking away, can't have been an easy decision'. Initially, I didn't believe they had been involved in Finding Freedom, eventually proved in court that they were indeed involved. I loved their engagement interview and defended them when a few posters here said she came across as 'fake', years later Meghan admitted it was staged. As time has gone on there are so many other incidents that have thrown a different light on the kind of person she, and Harry, are. I now view her totally differently to how I did at the beginning.

I also will admit that I didn't realise she was mixed race, and I have mixed race children of my own, for a long time I thought she had a latino heritage, I don't think I was the only one who made that mistake.

I agree with every word. Really liked her and genuinely didn’t have a clue about her heritage. Thought she was a breath of fresh air for RF . Thought W&K came across as a bit frosty which I commented on at the time.
Unfortunately it has been H& M behaviour that has changed my mind ,not her heritage!

LuluBlakey1 · 17/03/2024 17:45

BigFluffyHoodie · 15/03/2024 10:30

They knew that announcing Meghan's new venture would be big news. So they dropped it 45 minutes before William was due to speak yesterday evening. At an awards ceremony dedicated to harry and William's mother's memory.

But that wasn't good enough. Oh no. They then announced the winner of their own awards. While the Diana awards were still going on and Prince William was handing out prizes.

Is there no level this petty, bitter couple won't sink to?!

There is no level they won't sink to.

Roussette · 17/03/2024 17:50

PinkTonic · 17/03/2024 17:43

Perhaps I wasn’t clear in the point I was making. You acknowledge, and now personally endorse, the value of the patronage of this particular member of the RF. At the same time my understanding is that you consider the rest of the members of the RF to have no useful function. I’m interested in how you reconcile the opposing positions.

I was particularly writing of this charity after Meghan was called a 'twat' after visiting it

The charity was the only one I knew of and had a connection to, that any royal had visited.. hence my post
If I knew of more, I would comment on it whichever member of the RF visited

themessygarden · 17/03/2024 17:53

Ahh, the famous 'I know someone, who knows someone, who knows something'.

I think that is usually called out ,and often ridiculed, on RF threads.

IsoldeWagner · 17/03/2024 17:56

PinkTonic · 17/03/2024 17:33

Was her patronage and visit more valued than other members of the RF and their charities? It seems a bit odd to acknowledge her contribution whilst writing the rest of them off as a waste of space.

That's what I don't understand, if you're a republican, why support some royals? It never gets answered.

IsoldeWagner · 17/03/2024 17:57

Roussette · 17/03/2024 17:50

I was particularly writing of this charity after Meghan was called a 'twat' after visiting it

The charity was the only one I knew of and had a connection to, that any royal had visited.. hence my post
If I knew of more, I would comment on it whichever member of the RF visited

So, you think royal visits have value? The work they do is important?

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