Harry and Meghan are so petty and bitter

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They knew that announcing Meghan's new venture would be big news. So they dropped it 45 minutes before William was due to speak yesterday evening. At an awards ceremony dedicated to harry and William's mother's memory.

But that wasn't good enough. Oh no. They then announced the winner of their own awards. While the Diana awards were still going on and Prince William was handing out prizes.

Is there no level this petty, bitter couple won't sink to?!

If I were M & H I would be looking at the mess over here and congratulating myself on getting away from the toxic craziness.

The launch of her ARO is mostly targeted at the USA and the USA is utterly unconcerned with the Diana Legacy Awards. The conflict is manufactured in the brains of royalist, nowhere else.

In the brains of royalists? Meghan and Harry are royal. Very royal - and make sure everyone knows it! Republicans they are not!

Ooooooooooh, you've hit upon one of my main gripes. Meghan was so poorly served, nobody would get her a therapist, it's not done in the royal family, nobody cared enough about her mental health to get her a therapist.

And yet, at the same time - confirmed by him in his book - Harry was seeing a therapist.

🤔

Indeed. Very keen for their children to be Prince and Princess, weren't they?

That's how much they hate being royal!

Oh they love it! They just didn't like that they didn't have complete control and couldn't monetise it. Otherwise - they're full on royalty!

Racism was plain to see. I don’t follow the saga too closely to know who lies precisely but just looking at the papers, racism was loud and clear.

I don’t know what is your definition of racism but generally racism is not just bunch thugs spewing racially loaded expletives.

Again, I don’t know MM. When she married royal family I assumed she did not have very high self esteem, who would agree to marry royals knowing how the press treated the brides? I also assumed she was shallow enough to be blindsided by all the glitter.

I assumed she would be treated at least as badly as Kate was at the beginning. I was completely taken off guard by the avalanche of negative stories and the fact that she was not protected by RF.

When they left for US, I did not think prince Harry could live life as a normal person albeit very rich. They have lasted so long as a family good on them.

I'm talking about the false accusations against the family of racism, not the newspapers. Important to keep that clear in your own mind. And racism is not asking what the baby will look like. Honestly, I can see you are a fan and therefore make excuses for all their awful behaviour. I don't think it does them any favours, mind.

Racism was not plain to see in respect of his family. He denied her experience. Yet they wail make them see make them see.

Because they fanny about using word salad to describe their truth rather than stating the truth, they make any account of what they maybe did experience inherently unbelievable. Make them see make them see.

They were quick to try to make us see that the UK was racist. Make them see make them see.

What they did not see was that the vast majority of us are not racist. A lot of us are not that different to Meghan. What they did not see was that it was their actions that caused distrust and dislike.

No therapy? And yet your husband sorted his own self out. We saw that.

I don’t know why I’m explaining this because it is there for all to see if you open your eyes.

Various examples of snide and petty actions and inactions show us that they do not appear to practise what they preach.

We can see. We can see.

I am in a biracial marriage, it didn’t occur to me to think about which race my babies would look more like. Nobody around speculated about their appearance. We also have many biracial families in our circle and the looks of children before they were born was not a topic of conversation. Yes after they were born then we chipped in and discussed which parents they resembled. Other people’s unborn babies’ looks are not something that is normal to think about or discuss.
Even as a mother to be and never, not even once, I thought about the appearance of my babies in racial terms.

I am certainly not a fan. I have nothing in common with H&M and their situation involves certain amount contradictions and dare I say hypocrisy. I just put them in the context of Royal family.

I think you're being a bit disingenuous there and trying to make excuses for the false accusations of racism then retracted by Harry.
Anyway, you must, of course, think as you want about Meghan Markle, however peculiar your thoughts appear. However, looking at the surveys done, they show how people in this country liked Meghan before we got to know how dodgy her personality is and subsequently she is now very unpopular. This gives me hope that (most) people still know right from wrong and that people still support not shafting your grandparents. I think I must leave it there.

Really!!

Dodgy personality! The points have been endlessly argued so I won’t repeat them but saying that a black princess can only be accepted if she’s perfect but her white male counterparts don’t get the same scrutiny for much worse is itself racist.

I am not making a statement about UK. I am making a statement about press and RF by association with press.

Press can and do sway public opinion.

Few months ago someone on the board declared that if Michelle Obama had married into the family, everything would have been ok.

The audacity of thinking RF deserves someone of MO calibre if you happen to be black is mind bugling. You only have to be pretty and rich to marry into family if you’re white but have to be MO otherwise. Never mind that someone of that calibre will not be stupid enough to marry into RF. But if they did, they will be torn to pieces and won’t stay in the family as long as Meghan did.

Male counterparts don’t get the same scrutiny as females because of sexism, not racism.

A very large proportion of people didn’t even realise Meghan was biracial for a long time. Opinions were turned on the basis of things she said and did - and at the start they were largely positive. Nothing changed when her heritage became more widely known. I tell you when it did change - when Meghan and Harry started acting like a pair of self-absorbed arses.

The gutter press are the gutter press. What they do is embolden people are were already racist. What they don’t do is make non-racist people think “oh yeah, she’s actually a bit shit because she’s not blonde and blue eyed.”

Look at how celebrated their wedding was. That’s not the actions of a country rejecting someone because her skin tone is slightly darker than others.

I actually find it extremely insulting to suggest that people’s opinion of her is due to racism. It denigrates actual racism. Suggesting that the only reason people might not like Meghan is because she’s biracial suggests some internalised racism on your part.

Christ so many typos! I haven’t even been on the wine 😂🤦🏻‍♀️

Oh you're being disingenuous. The minute it was announced they were dating the media released articles on who she was, what she did and her racial makeup. Are you really going to pretend this didn't happen? Every news and tabloid outlet did bios on her. There was no massive proportion of people who didn't know. Every person Harry dated had the same. Who they are, their job, their parents, how they et met etc. and every single one discussed her race as it was exactly the sort of the the media loved.

How did that work out for you?

@SecretSoul

Here you go. I've done some homework for you. Articles from 2016.

Only a blind deaf person living in a cave didn't realise she was biracial.

People should just admit that they did not like Meghan from the get go due to race and nationality. Why not own it? Meghan faced immediate bias and dislike from some people, influenced by her race and nationality. There's a perception that the British public has a general aversion to Americans, which suggests that Meghan, being American and of mixed heritage, was unlikely to be widely accepted from the outset. The younger demographic, however, has shown significant support for Meghan and Harry, reflecting a divergence in public opinion.

The treatment of Meghan highlights a broader issue within the country concerning the treatment of ethnic minorities. Our history and current practices reveal a pattern of disparity and bias, underscoring that her experience is part of a larger systemic problem. The contrast in treatment between Ukrainian refugees and those from Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and other regions is striking. The UK's warm reception of Ukrainian refugees, including offering housing and immediate work permits, starkly contrasts with the treatment of refugees from other conflicts and people of color. The harsh conditions faced by refugees from the Middle East and Africa, and the difficulties faced by individuals from the Caribbean and other regions in visiting the UK, despite historical ties [they fought for us in the war], highlight systemic issues in how ethnic minorities are treated. Germans on the other hand can come here any time.
This context serves as a stark reminder of the need for introspection and change in how we address and improve the treatment of all individuals, regardless of their background or heritage.

I do not blame her for coming out and speaking up in an interview. I also do not blame her for leaving. She was not a refugee and certainly not stuck in this country. Meghan's decision to speak out and eventually leave the UK does not warrant criticism. Her actions reflect a response to unwelcoming conditions, and given her situation, unlike refugees, she had the means to leave. When she spoke up about depression instead of people feeling concerned about her health the media and people on social media including this forum wrote nasty articles and posts about her.

"People should behave in ways that fit my narrative and agenda".

It doesn't work that way I'm afraid sweetheart.

Eise, I have only read your first paragraph, so that's what I am responding to.

I think there is no doubt there were some people who did not like her because of being an american, an actress and others who were racist towards her.

However, I think most people are like me though, who very much liked her, and didn't care that she was american, an actress or mixed race, and who thought they did the right thing by taking that year off to hang out in Canada.

If I went back over my old posts on MN I would have been classed as a Meghan 'fan'. My first eye raise for her and Harry started with their passive aggressive statements when they didn't get the half in / half out, but my overall view was 'good on them for walking away, can't have been an easy decision'. Initially, I didn't believe they had been involved in Finding Freedom, eventually proved in court that they were indeed involved. I loved their engagement interview and defended them when a few posters here said she came across as 'fake', years later Meghan admitted it was staged. As time has gone on there are so many other incidents that have thrown a different light on the kind of person she, and Harry, are. I now view her totally differently to how I did at the beginning.

I also will admit that I didn't realise she was mixed race, and I have mixed race children of my own, for a long time I thought she had a latino heritage, I don't think I was the only one who made that mistake.

She left because she wasn’t up to being a working royal with all the restrictions and criticism it brings. She also knew she was never going to get the top job no matter how she performed

nothing wrong with that, but let’s not pretend she did it to save the world. She did it it for notoriety and money

And ginger whinger tagged along for the ride. Brave indeed!

Plus, they've just walked away from royalty in the UK. They're still royals, just in the USA. They still have all the status, wealth, privilege and titles.
So, being royal wasn't a problem, just within that family. Which is fine, but I don't know why people think it's anything more than that.

You are so of course Eise. I like many others was excited when Meghan came on the scene. We got together for the wedding (she looked stunning). It’s the behaviour after which made me open my eyes. I cannot forgive the way they behaved when the Duke and late Queen were dying. It’s just gone from bad to worse and the rose tinted glasses are off. They both come across cold and calculated.

So you want the RF to not allow 2 adults and their child/ren to not leave the country?

The RF to not allow them to choose their own life's?

Or to give in to every demand and just throw money and jewels at them?

The RF offered Meghan the chance to continue her career after marriage. She chose not to. She could easily have worked within the British film & tv industry had she wanted. She could have tried Theatre, producing, editing, directing, writing - many more opportunities than she would ever have been offered before. Both of them chose not to take the advice of mentors offered. Meghan was given a 30 page dossier on protocol - did she read it? They could have stepped back as working Royals and maintained their security by still living in Frogmore, and Charles would have supported them. They wanted to live in America.

They wanted to leave and to live in America and pick and choose which Royal duties they did, while still earning money off the backs of their Royal titles. They were told by The Queen they couldn't do both. They chose to leave. They put out a whole statement about it.