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Harry and Meghan are so petty and bitter

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BigFluffyHoodie · 15/03/2024 10:30

They knew that announcing Meghan's new venture would be big news. So they dropped it 45 minutes before William was due to speak yesterday evening. At an awards ceremony dedicated to harry and William's mother's memory.

But that wasn't good enough. Oh no. They then announced the winner of their own awards. While the Diana awards were still going on and Prince William was handing out prizes.

Is there no level this petty, bitter couple won't sink to?!

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Walkingwashingmachine · 16/03/2024 12:13

Wickedlywearynamechange · 16/03/2024 11:58

Did the Queen ask Meghan not to ‘live off’ her title? Did the Queen ask Sarah Ferguson not to live off her title? I wonder?

Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York

Maybe the Queen did. We don't know. Fergie never did a TV show throwing the Queen under a bus though.

It always amazes me how people don't look at history. Why have we still got a constitutional monarchy when most other countries have lost theirs. The Queen was very wise. She knew that if the monarchy looked like it was milking the system, keeping the privileges and not putting anything back (like H and M) it wouldn't last very long (Cf Marie Antoinette, the Tsars..I know there are many other factors obvs). H and M aren't so bright unfortunately and didn't understand so went off in a huff and did Oprah and all the other horrible things to upset the grandparents just before they died. But the Queen had no alternative unfortunately.

Wickedlywearynamechange · 16/03/2024 12:14

Oh Lordy.

Allaboutthegrift · 16/03/2024 12:16

I suppose the difference between the DoY and the DoS is that one of them didn’t go out of their way to totally disparage the RF and yap away about finding their freedom. Or go full victim mode.

There are of course similarities.

Both have absolutely appalling taste in men.

Walkingwashingmachine · 16/03/2024 12:16

Wickedlywearynamechange · 16/03/2024 12:14

Oh Lordy.

I know. It is complicated to understand. But that's a constitional monarchy for you!

Samcro · 16/03/2024 12:19

Allaboutthegrift · 16/03/2024 12:16

I suppose the difference between the DoY and the DoS is that one of them didn’t go out of their way to totally disparage the RF and yap away about finding their freedom. Or go full victim mode.

There are of course similarities.

Both have absolutely appalling taste in men.

one left the rf , the other remains living in her prince ex husband house.

SecretSoul · 16/03/2024 12:39

AliceOlive · 16/03/2024 11:29

I accidentally clicked on the oldest page on the forum. 2011. Was surprised when scrolling through the posts how awful people were to Catherine back then, also.

I am sure someone will come along and say it was not that bad.

It has been horrible at times for both women.

I always think your comments are quite balanced and fair. And I think you make a very good point here again.

I think all the women who have married into the RF have had a hard time, including Ferguson and Diana.

The press are just shitbags. We all know this.

But as for the general public, I deeply and truly believe that the vast majority really wanted to like Meghan. Especially as Harry was viewed as the nation’s cheeky son. And I think a very high proportion actually did like Meghan at the start.

I don’t think that racism is at the root of it other than maybe a teeny tiny minority. But I do think there’s a cultural clash. You see lots of people referring to Meghan’s “word salads” - I think that a lot of Brits find it quite jarring. It’s not about having a voice, it’s about the style of speech and the type of content. It’s about as far as you could get from the “never complain, never explain” communication style of the royal family. So I think that’s an ongoing factor.

I think people felt rejected by Meghan. The way the birth of Archie was announced, for example. The secrecy around Meghan going into labour and then the delay in doing the traditional reveal to the world. I’m not saying that people were justified, but I think some of the grumbling started to really take root there and escalated with subsequent events. People like traditions when it comes to the royal family.

And yet, if they had decided to step away from royal duties and lead a quiet life, I actually think most people would have understood and been supportive.

They didn’t handle their exit very well, they were angry with the RF so it ended up coming across as a big “fuck you” to the U.K. And then the torrent of bitterness and badmouthing, with plenty of provable lies. Rightly or wrongly, people felt like it was a slap in the face. A rejection of the U.K., a rejection of the British people who had genuinely welcomed Meghan. And it just never seemed to stop - more interviews, a book, conflicting revelations, a documentary series. All complaining about how terrible things had been with claims that just seemed very hard to swallow - such as how tiny their (beautiful) cottage had been. Allegations which just weren’t true - such as Archie not getting a title because of racism.

Yes, Diana did an interview but that was after many many years of being in the royal family and working very hard to carry out duties. I know she was a very flawed individual but she did some outstanding work for many causes, and she’d built up lots of goodwill. Plus she was smart enough not to say anything that could be perceived at taking a swing at the public, nor did she lie in any obvious ways.

And onto Catherine. The abuse she gets is unbelievable when literally all she’s done is marry into the family. She’s kept her mouth shut even when her own family members are talking shit about her publicly. Even on here posters love to call her Waity Katy and KKKate. She continues to carry out her engagements, raise her three young children and work for the causes she supports. Well, obviously up until December she did and I have no doubt she’ll resume once she’s recovered. There is usually a lot of goodwill towards her but that’s mainly because there’s not much ammunition. Obviously that’s changed recently and she’s been pulled to pieces in the press.

So that’s why I never think comparisons of Catherine and Meghan are fair. The press are shitty to them both. But if you’re going to be outspoken and take a bombastic approach then it’s inevitable that you’re going to attract more criticism. Coming into the RF as an outsider, only staying a very short time, and then taking every opportunity to publicly criticise it is never going to go down well. And that’s even without the things she said which aren’t true.

I often wonder if Meghan is just misunderstood but then things happen like launching her website at the same time as the legacy awards and it makes me think that perceptions are right and she is as self-absorbed as she seems.

Roussette · 16/03/2024 12:47

Just to correct a previous assertion on here, Sarah did one or it might have been two Oprah interviews and she did write a book about how awful her time in the institution was and I think it was her that coined the phrase "the men in grey suits"

Hey ho, 30 years on and there she is living on a Royal Estate!

AliceOlive · 16/03/2024 12:52

SecretSoul · 16/03/2024 12:39

I always think your comments are quite balanced and fair. And I think you make a very good point here again.

I think all the women who have married into the RF have had a hard time, including Ferguson and Diana.

The press are just shitbags. We all know this.

But as for the general public, I deeply and truly believe that the vast majority really wanted to like Meghan. Especially as Harry was viewed as the nation’s cheeky son. And I think a very high proportion actually did like Meghan at the start.

I don’t think that racism is at the root of it other than maybe a teeny tiny minority. But I do think there’s a cultural clash. You see lots of people referring to Meghan’s “word salads” - I think that a lot of Brits find it quite jarring. It’s not about having a voice, it’s about the style of speech and the type of content. It’s about as far as you could get from the “never complain, never explain” communication style of the royal family. So I think that’s an ongoing factor.

I think people felt rejected by Meghan. The way the birth of Archie was announced, for example. The secrecy around Meghan going into labour and then the delay in doing the traditional reveal to the world. I’m not saying that people were justified, but I think some of the grumbling started to really take root there and escalated with subsequent events. People like traditions when it comes to the royal family.

And yet, if they had decided to step away from royal duties and lead a quiet life, I actually think most people would have understood and been supportive.

They didn’t handle their exit very well, they were angry with the RF so it ended up coming across as a big “fuck you” to the U.K. And then the torrent of bitterness and badmouthing, with plenty of provable lies. Rightly or wrongly, people felt like it was a slap in the face. A rejection of the U.K., a rejection of the British people who had genuinely welcomed Meghan. And it just never seemed to stop - more interviews, a book, conflicting revelations, a documentary series. All complaining about how terrible things had been with claims that just seemed very hard to swallow - such as how tiny their (beautiful) cottage had been. Allegations which just weren’t true - such as Archie not getting a title because of racism.

Yes, Diana did an interview but that was after many many years of being in the royal family and working very hard to carry out duties. I know she was a very flawed individual but she did some outstanding work for many causes, and she’d built up lots of goodwill. Plus she was smart enough not to say anything that could be perceived at taking a swing at the public, nor did she lie in any obvious ways.

And onto Catherine. The abuse she gets is unbelievable when literally all she’s done is marry into the family. She’s kept her mouth shut even when her own family members are talking shit about her publicly. Even on here posters love to call her Waity Katy and KKKate. She continues to carry out her engagements, raise her three young children and work for the causes she supports. Well, obviously up until December she did and I have no doubt she’ll resume once she’s recovered. There is usually a lot of goodwill towards her but that’s mainly because there’s not much ammunition. Obviously that’s changed recently and she’s been pulled to pieces in the press.

So that’s why I never think comparisons of Catherine and Meghan are fair. The press are shitty to them both. But if you’re going to be outspoken and take a bombastic approach then it’s inevitable that you’re going to attract more criticism. Coming into the RF as an outsider, only staying a very short time, and then taking every opportunity to publicly criticise it is never going to go down well. And that’s even without the things she said which aren’t true.

I often wonder if Meghan is just misunderstood but then things happen like launching her website at the same time as the legacy awards and it makes me think that perceptions are right and she is as self-absorbed as she seems.

Thank you for the compliment.

I think what you’ve written here is very sound.

Allaboutthegrift · 16/03/2024 12:56

Did she berate the Royal Family as well as the men in grey suits?

I haven’t read her book or seen those interviews. I was on active service at the time so it may have passed me by.

Walkingwashingmachine · 16/03/2024 12:56

@SecretSoul I think your summary is spot on.

@Roussette Fergie has had more abuse over the years than any of them. And she shouldn't be living off her title either. But I don't think that absolves Meghan from criticism. And Fergie hasn't made up damaging lies re racism etc as far as I am aware. I may be wrong.

pilates · 16/03/2024 12:56

Excellent post by SecretSoul

Roussette · 16/03/2024 13:06

I didn't make the point about Sarah to absolve anyone. I was just saying she has criticised the monarchy and how awful it all was in books and interviews.
No of course no allegations of racism Hmm

Salemforcuddles · 16/03/2024 13:11

@SecretSoul Brilliant post

Durham2023 · 16/03/2024 13:11

BigFluffyHoodie · 15/03/2024 14:59

The Diana awards are not a Royal family event. They are a Spencer family event.

But that clearly wasn't enough for Harry and Meghan. They had to shoehorn their own stuff into the day. Couldn't wait 24 hours. And of course they both knew when the Diana awards were. D'ya think that Harry might have mentioned them to Meghan? That he was going to be doing a Live?

Good for them. While very rich, their security needs are not trivial and they have to work for their money. They have the priorities right, they need to look after their family and they only have their fame to earn a living and that might not last long. Royal family and William could have avoided all of this if they protected them or agreed to half in half out. After all they could protect Andrew. I don’t even care if Meghan Markle was a gold digging bully and worse as the Royals are hardly paragons of virtue and we have all seen Charles behaving like a child on TV.

All is fair in love and war and this didn’t start with H&M. I truly wish them the best. Having the courage to seek freedom specially as Harry did not know any other life is admirable.

Roussette · 16/03/2024 13:13

@Durham2023
Great post. I agree

Mugglewumppp · 16/03/2024 13:14

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Allaboutthegrift · 16/03/2024 13:16

Ok. So she criticised the system rather than the actual family?

Roussette · 16/03/2024 13:17

I truly wish them the best. Having the courage to seek freedom specially as Harry did not know any other life is admirable

I agree. I think he was brave

SecretSoul · 16/03/2024 13:18

From what I recall, Sarah Ferguson was critical of the “men in grey suits” but she didn’t slate members of the RF.

I think that even the most ardent royalist would have no problem accepting that some of the processes and protocols must be frustrating. So I don’t think what Sarah Ferguson said caused any real upset. It’s quite different to slate your actual family, lie about events, and reveal personal information about other family members knowing that they’ll be ripped apart by the press.

Also worth saying that Sarah Ferguson had a horrible time in the press. She was characterised as dim, a freeloader, and tacky. It’s a different world now compared to back then - Sarah Ferguson never had to endure trial by social media. But the press were awful to her, no attempt to be fair or write balanced pieces. She was a laughing stock. She must have the skin of a rhino!

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Walkingwashingmachine · 16/03/2024 13:25

Durham2023 · 16/03/2024 13:11

Good for them. While very rich, their security needs are not trivial and they have to work for their money. They have the priorities right, they need to look after their family and they only have their fame to earn a living and that might not last long. Royal family and William could have avoided all of this if they protected them or agreed to half in half out. After all they could protect Andrew. I don’t even care if Meghan Markle was a gold digging bully and worse as the Royals are hardly paragons of virtue and we have all seen Charles behaving like a child on TV.

All is fair in love and war and this didn’t start with H&M. I truly wish them the best. Having the courage to seek freedom specially as Harry did not know any other life is admirable.

I get doing the best for yourself and your family, but not at the expense of others. Not by publicly lying and throwing their family under a bus; a family that cannot defend itself and who you were trusted by. And then leeching off that same family while also denigrating them at the same time. If it was your family and they did it to you what would you think. Would you do that to your grandparents that you knew were dying?

It amazes me how people's moral compass these days is so skewed. You can't defend what they have done by " Charles behaved like a child on tv" or any other whataboutery. If you take a step back and look at it objectively it's appalling. And that's why people get so irritated by H and M still constantly clamouring for attention. I'd rather not hear from them ever again. Harry used to make me laugh when I read about him. He doesn't any more.

Salemforcuddles · 16/03/2024 13:33

I took find people seeking freedom very brave, those fleeing a war torn country , sailing in a dingy across a sea with your baby strapped to you, no home, no money. Not so much a multi millionaire, leaving n a private jet, going to stay in a multi million dollar mansion with mummy and daddy's money in the bank

He knows no other life? Wasn't he in the army?

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BigFluffyHoodie · 16/03/2024 14:04

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And by who they don't have any more time for.

I went all in for H&M's wedding. Did a tea, friends came round, we ooohed and aaaahed.

And then the next few years happened, with the conflicting stories and wanting their cake and eating it, and all the whining. So now I view them more dispassionately.

I've listened to Harry's book. I think the way he has betrayed confidences and familial privacy is appalling.

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WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 16/03/2024 14:16

Very thoughtful posts @SecretSoul

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