Kate Gate

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Do not read or comment if you aren't interested!

Shamefully starting a new Kate related thread for the fellow people like me who are so far down the rabbit hole they need to talk it out with fellow tin foil hat wearers 🤙
I want to know.. what do you think?
Where is she?
The wild theories?
Will she make the Easter Day service?
What the hell is going on over at KP?

I think she's seriously ill and will be stepping back soon.

I've got popcorn and I've got alllllll night, let's dissect.

Well said

I think W&K's work record is extraordinary. Extraordinarily poor that is!

William should be his father's right hand man, given his father's age and health. He's not. He does the absolute minimum and always has.

It didn't matter when QEII was alive so much. It really really matters now and I wonder if the two royal households have had a falling out or something because he's hardly a support to his Father is he?

Perhaps William has taken early retirement lol

Everyone has the right to privacy, whether it be medical records, weight, shoe size etc - if you don't want people to know, then you don't want people to know. Fair play. What I find insulting is IF (and I do say IF) we (the Public/tax payers) have been Royally (no pun intended) deceived and lied to, then that's wrong - whether it's the severity of Catherine's or Charles' illnesses or the reason for doctoring a photo. Say nothing but don't lie. We (the Public) don't know the truth and probably don't need to...but we don't need to be lied to or hugely misled.

@1DoesNotSimplyWalkIntoMordor so where you work then you just have the right to ring in sick, not say why or give any details at all to personnel or your line manager and they just suck that up do they? 3 months. not 3 days, 3 months.

According to ACAS "...Reporting sickness absence When someone is off sick, they can 'self-certify' for 7 calendar days, including weekends. This means they can tell their employer they're not well enough to work. They do not need to provide medical evidence.
If they're off sick for more than 7 days, an employee will need to get a fit note from a registered healthcare professional...."

So more than 7 days and you need a fit note which would by its very nature contains details about why you are off sick and what adjustments will be needed when you return.

But thats the point isnt it. they are paid for by us but not actually employed by us in the truest sense. because they are different from your average employee who has to abide by these rules, who was interviewed for the job in the first place and so on as per my previous post.

I dont want to know the ins and outs of what is wrong. but I do think the truth is essential here. And as I said, if she doesnt want this attention, duck out of the royal family and get a job like the rest of us. There are options.

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But we all pay for many people’s lifestyle in a round about way. I provide a service, people pay me for it but that doesn’t entitle them to my confidential medical history if I cancel their appointment.
We pay the wages of the staff where we shop, our rates pay council workers who provide services, someone is paying your salary, would you be happy to have your medical history plastered across the news globally?

Please try to think, critically, about your over simplified argument before posting. As we have seen, over the last few days, the story has exploded and I can’t imagine how difficult it is for POW immediate family trying to protect their children from some of the more outlandish theories.
I do hope that they are having a good laugh at some of the idiots though.

I have never read such drivel about Harry enjoying engagements and meeting the public. He hated it. And Meghan wanted paying for it.

I can’t imagine any of the rf enjoy many of their engagements, but they get on with it. Harry wanted to step back from the drearier aspects. He only liked the sporty stuff.

And let us not forget when he ditched his previous commitment to an army event to attend The Lion King premier.

oh dear @Angrymum22 so because you dont agree with me you decide to be rude and call me an idiot. wow, how long did that carefully thought out comment take then? your key word is round about way. we dont pay for the royals in a round about way. we directly fund them. thats the difference. Perhaps a bit of honesty would shut out the more outlandish theories? Of course the royal family are laughing. they are laughing all the way to the bank. just as they always have done and always will do so long as they have apologists like yourself on threads like this. Honestly, it is really, really simple. If you dont want the media speculation tell the truth. if you dont want the continued media interest, step down. No one is forcing any of the RF to stay members of it. They choose to be members of the RF and with that benefit of being paid for all your life in luxury goes the other side of the coin.

But the point is she isn't paid for by us directly. There are funds that go to support our constitutional monarch as head of state. Some of those funds are based on historical laws so for example the revenue of the duchies - so while technically could be used by the government for something else if we didn't have a royal family it doesn't affect us on a daily basis as tax payers coming out of our taxes.

The portion of our taxes which go to the monarch is the Sovereign grant which is used to fund both the upkeep of Crown properties (owned by the country) and the official work of the monarch and his supporters. This money only gets used when work is done and expenses are paid. So when Kate's not doing engagements she's not actually using any of this money. There's a government led department which oversees the accounting of the Sovereign grant and any money left over at the end of the year either stays in the fund for next time or goes to an overflow fund if too much money is left. If too much money is continuously left then the trustees can adjust how much gets given the next year.

Some years more money is needed than others because the old buildings like Buck House need renovation.

The head of state then gets to decide how to use the rest of that money to fund his/her team and how they want to be supported in the job of being head of state.

Kate is the wife of the heir. If it could be said she had any kind of 'boss' it's Charles - so as long as he's seen her 'fit note' and has agreed to her time off then she's met her responsibilities to him.

Now - I would like to see more transparency over the exact split of the Sovereign Grant - for example how much goes to upkeep of the state buildings, how much to staff like archivists, restorers, general housekeeping etc (ie what we'd still be paying for if we had a non-royal head of state, and how much goes to staff because it's a royal household.

I'd actually be in favour of removing control of the Sovereign grant completely from the Monarch and having a special government department be in charge of it all - including managing the expenses for royal trips etc. To enable it to be realy clear that the monarch and heir pay for all their personal needs, staff and expenses out of their Duchy money.

I think that would be the first step to the more Euro royal model.

@wordler I dont want to tinker around the edges looking at the sovereign grant or moving towards a european monarchy model. I want there to be no monarch whatsoever. no one called king, queen or prince. sorry, I thought this would have been clear from my post.

This!

hee-hee 😆

You've been perfectly clear - I was just stating what I'd like to see.

Please come on the other thread about moving to a republic - I'd love to hear your ideas for what the transition would look like and what your ideal head of state model would be.

I wonder if the two royal households have had a falling out or something because he's hardly a support to his Father is he
This is something I've thought. I've seen William give his dad side way looks - like during The Pen incident I sense William might get irritated with his dad and they might not gel too well in these roles.

Where's your proof of what you are saying. May as well be drivel itself, lies without anything to support them.

Somehow certain posters manage to drag Harry or Meghan into any post that has nothing to do with them, I wonder why.

It's been mentioned actually - William's appearances have clashed several times with Charles. It has been suggested he undermines Charles' work and projects, one of which William has changed to apparently "modernise" or whatever.

I am directly funded by the public. I don’t owe them an explanation if I’m off ill.

I was diagnosed with breast cancer two years ago. My employer, the NHS, did not insist I shared this information with any of my patients. It was very entertaining the rumours and stories that did the rounds. But fundamentally my reason for keeping it confidential was to protect my DH and DC. DS, in particular didn’t want people continually asking him how he was doing. DH is naturally a very private person so just ignored any questions or comments. Once I was through the treatment I was happy to talk about it but until I had the all clear it was no one’s business.

Why is it yours or anyone else’s business why she is taking time off. I just find it very odd that you have zero empathy for the person. I understand your feelings about the institute but please just give it a rest.

I'm going to be a bit cagey with this reply because colleagues also use this site. My current fit note doesn't state the exact reason why I am unfit to work, when I phoned work on the first day of sickness I told them it was a family emergency. Nobody asked me to elaborate, they asked me if I wished to be referred to occupational health and well-being. When I go back to work next week I'll be asked to sign a form stating that I am fit to return to work. They will ask if I need a phased return, they will also ask if I need any adjustments and that will be it.

In the Case of Catherine we have been told it is due to abdominal surgery and that is more than enough. They could have left out the word abdominal.

@Angrymum22 and @1DoesNotSimplyWalkIntoMordor you are both entitled to your opinions as I am to mine. You are happy for this charade to continue, I am not. thats fine. Those against having a monarchy are growing in number thank goodness. How would you feel if this all turns out to be some sort of charade or pack of lies or are you just happy to accept the word of an organisation that has lied/turned a blind eye about things in the past? It goes back years and years.

I am healthily cynical about anyone who exhibits conspiracy theorist tendencies.
Don’t overthink it. Such a waste of brain space.

Well, @eise, Harry certainly did ditch a military engagement to go to The Lion King. And as for Harry not liking stuffy engagements… I give you drum roll Finding Freedom .

And about unfounded statements… you go on to do exactly that! Have you no self-awareness at all?

@mummymeister I have no particular thoughts either for or against the RF, if it's a charade or they've lied then they will have to deal with the fall-out.

I will defend everyone's right to medical privacy and confidentiality though.

Why does it matter anyway - do any of them actually like their royal jobs? Harry did a lot more than William. W+K have always done the least.

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William gives the distinct impression that he hates public appearances. Who can blame him. Harry scowled the whole time, at least William tries .

I think he seems quite keen when he’s interacting with people.

Harry, too in the past.