Kate Gate

[Saladcreamdreams]

Do not read or comment if you aren't interested!

Shamefully starting a new Kate related thread for the fellow people like me who are so far down the rabbit hole they need to talk it out with fellow tin foil hat wearers 🤙
I want to know.. what do you think?
Where is she?
The wild theories?
Will she make the Easter Day service?
What the hell is going on over at KP?

I think she's seriously ill and will be stepping back soon.

I've got popcorn and I've got alllllll night, let's dissect.

But we're her employers. And if the royal family don't like having to be public, or justify themselves to the people, find new jobs.

If my colleagues saw that I was not working when they had reason to think I was fit for work they'd be pissed off. Also, my colleagues don't pay for my employment. We pay for the Wales.

Harry's work numbers were going up each year. He was doing good numbers even during the army phase. Not that much less than William considering he's younger, so three or so years behind.

He is good with the public and a naturally social person who enjoys dealing with people.
William does it out of duty and mostly looks to be clenching his jaw wishing he was somewhere else.

My take is part of Harry stepping away was knowing he'd be used to do all sorts of engagements William didn't want to do without so much as a thank you.

He knows his brother and it says a lot that now H isn't there to deflect, we are starting to see how little W does.

And they do have a nanny who lives in a cottage next door. Pretty much there when needed.

That's on top of the housekeeper/s.

So do all teachers and nurses need to post their medical info on detail on social media for us all to judge if their sick leave is ok?

Why do you keep coming back to the ambulance when there is no evidence of an ambulance, and rational thinking would lead any reasonable person to deduce it was made up? The clip doesn’t show an ambulance, it doesn’t show the car was royal, it wasn’t seen arriving at a hospital and it makes no sense that a seriously ill royal person would be ‘blue lighted’ all the way from Sandringham to London. No sense.

Agree with all of this!

Planned procedures / Elective procedures are not for patients who are rushed into hospital as an emergency.
ALL procedures are however planned to a certain extent.

Telling the general public that you have had a planned or elective procedure gives people the impression that it was expected and planned / prepared for a while ago. Which is a lie in this case.

@PinkTonic If I knew I was having extensive abdominal surgery today I wouldn't plan anything for a couple of months especially knowing I have servants to do it all.

She wasn't expecting this surgery hence the last minute cancellations.

But we have no idea if she’s fit for work? Being out and about is part of recovery; you don’t go from surgery to upright the minute the general anaesthetic wears off. I remember someone sending my mother champagne the day she went from ICU to the next ward rung down, as if “out of intensive care” meant “ready for a celebratory booze-up”! It’s a step-by-step process and it was made clear she wouldn’t resume duties till after Easter. She might well be fine now, overall, but tired and at a low ebb after such a significant blow to her health; recuperating from the mental and physical exhaustion is also a key part of recovery.

I’m generally all for abolition of the monarchy, I think Kate is lazy and workshy generally and it’s a waste of a life to marry into royalty, but really, here she’s doing nothing wrong. And instead of a race to the bottom as is so frequently seen – “when I had surgery I had my laptop open on the ward so I could send work emails” – maybe we should applaud the example that surgery requires significant sick leave, and pursue a country that pays adequate sick pay and protects all staff, because poor health comes to most of us, in the end, and no one should have to work sooner than they are medically fit to.

@ColleenDonaghy no obviously not because we pay head teachers and hospital managers to do that for us. If teachers or nurses bosses are not satisfied that someone is genuinely ill then they would deal with that.

There is much less speculation about Charles because he gave information that justified his absence and he hasn't released weirdly doctored photos. If the Waleses had done the same maybe there wouldn't be the same focus on them.

Anyway, we'll find out one day.

My daughter’s brain tumour was a medical emergency. She was rushed to hospital after her diagnostic scan and her treatment plan began immediately. Her surgery took place as a planned procedure the following morning in that the surgeon planned it and she was starved and readied for theatre. It was a life saving surgery and couldn’t wait until the next list. An unplanned procedure would have been something like the little boy in the bed opposite who was rushed in following an RTA and taken straight to theatre from A&E to be dealt with by the on call team.

It’s none of your business how it all panned out anyway. You are picking at hairs in your ongoing attempts to fan the flames.

Given what I do for a living I know that I am right.
Surgery doesn't have to take place immediately for it to be an emergency.

In the case of the aforementioned relative the transfer to a different hospital took place because of the requirement of 2 different specialist surgeons being available. Even though the surgery was an emergency it was still planned for while my relative was en route after being stabilised in resus.

It could be something uber private like a miscarriage, and then everyone will feel awful for invading her privacy. 😔

Yes - every procedure is planned to an extent. Nobody goes right into it and opens anyone up without thinking.

Kate's surgery and neither your daughter's were planned/elective - saying that gives the false illusion that it was expected. Treatment begins in the ambulance when you're brought in one.

This really is at the heart of it all for me. I pay the Royal families wages. I dont have a choice in this. I didnt vote them into power. I cant vote them out after 4/.5 years . They can only lead the lifestyle that they do because I fund them. We urgently need a grown up discussion in this country about the royal family with a referendum. I cant judge whether or not the PoW is too sick to carry out her duties or not because I dont know whats wrong with her. In what other job would you be able to ring in and just say you are so sick you are taking 3 months off but not give some explanation why?

KP and the whole entourage are burying their heads in the sand. not surprising as if the royals go so would many of their jobs. the PoW's are single handedly destroying the monarchy at the moment and they are either too arrogant or too stupid to realise this.

I want a referendum and I want them gone. Its just ridiculous now.

What's the argument here exactly? What are you trying to prove?
I am saying Kate's surgery was not elective or planned. Reporting it as such gives the illusion to the general public that it was expected. It wasn't expected as she had to cancel things.

ALL procedures will be planned before hand, nobody just dives into the patient. Emergency or not. However generally speaking, if I told friends today that I have an elective or planned surgery in a week to remove a fibroid. It's obvious what I'm implying. If you work in the sector - you should know this.

A pre planned surgery can be 20 minutes beforehand to run through the procedure and recovery process etc. It’s planned but just at short notice.

What’s your point? Why are you arguing semantics? What was announced was planned abdomen surgery, so not straight from resus. It’s clear it was at short notice due to diary cancellations. The word elective wasn’t used. What’s the issue?

Using the correct terminology is important. Given the sector I work in, I know accuracy matters. If Kate’s procedure was planned, even by a matter of hours, it is accurate to say so. She clearly didn’t have emergency surgery; it was also clearly not planned months in advance because, duh, the cancelled engagements. But it’s perfectly reasonable for KP to call it planned surgery rather than emergency surgery or unexpected surgery; it was expected from the moment someone treating her said “we’ll need to do surgery tomorrow/24 hours’ time/whatever the time length is”. Of all the lies and misleading things the royal press offices do, saying Kate had planned surgery and needed to cancel some things is really not the gotcha you seem to think.

A person's medical information is private and confidential nobody has the right to know what surgery Catherine has had.

The fact that Charles disclosed his diagnosis was his decision to make and his alone.

Catherine's decision to keep her diagnosis and surgery confidential was her decision as is her right. She should be left alone to recover and not be hounded into disclosing her private and confidential information.

You are - you keep coming back to me over and over again. This is what I do for work. I am telling you it's not what you would normally say to avoid giving people the wrong impression but you are now telling me personal information about your child having brain surgery to try and validate what you are saying.

Worth noting, I didn't quote you from the start you quoted me.

@1DoesNotSimplyWalkIntoMordor anyone can do whatever they like, say whatever they like and keep something confidential or not. Just so long as I am not paying them for that priviledge. Since I and many others are paying for their lifestyle and their employment, we do get to say this I am afraid. If she wants to be treated like every other citizen, come off the payroll and go back to being an ordinary citizen.

I can’t actually think of anything abdominal that wouldn’t be relatively private.

Then they should say that!

"The princess arrived by ambulance and has undergone an emergency surgery as a result all her appearances have been cancelled at short notice"

That would be more accurate. Calling it a planned surgery is deceiving people.
I won't reply to this anymore.

I do this for a living. Call it whatever you want if it fits your agenda.

Some abdominal surgeries have a long and difficult recovery fur e.g. require the use of a colostomy bag for a period of time afterwards....if it's anything like this it's understandable she'd want to stay out if the public eye until she's ready......can you imagine the speculation, people analysing her outfits zooming in on her silhouette- speculation about her weight.

What? My point is that it wasn’t emergency surgery else they’d had said “emergency surgery”. No one but a premium moron would think “planned surgery” plus “cancelled engagements” meant anything other than “planned on short notice”. Calling something an emergency that isn’t is fearmongering and hyperbole. Congratulations though on making your living being weird about standard medical terminology on Mumsnet!