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elprup · 13/03/2024 08:13

Sparetoes · 13/03/2024 07:54

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68544051

This article says there have been pap photos in the US, so she has been out and about?

Also proves the British press do have things on the royals that that don't publish (which most of us already knew).

I think that’s just referring to the paparazzi photos of Kate and Carole in the car.

Serenster · 13/03/2024 08:14

Sparetoes · 13/03/2024 07:54

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68544051

This article says there have been pap photos in the US, so she has been out and about?

Also proves the British press do have things on the royals that that don't publish (which most of us already knew).

That will be the photo of her in the car with her mother, which we all know about - it was published internationally by not in the UK.

LittleGlowingOblong · 13/03/2024 08:18

The speculation is feverish and the conspiracies are insane.

But maybe it’s not just salacious gossip that’s making us so feverish. If the King is very ill, and the Heir to the throne is divorcing…. what does this mean for the legitimacy of the idea of a monarchy?

Who’s going to be on the throne two years from now? And who’s going to be sitting next to him, or her?

It’s actually very unsettling for us all as ‘subjects’ if you will.

Deardoofus · 13/03/2024 08:21

PinkTonic · 13/03/2024 07:58

Trust and confidence is being eroded at alarming speed. You know you are in trouble when the Mail turns on the RF. it looks like they are just about sick of the whole circus and are biting back with barbed articles

But it’s the press and the online misinformation machine that have created the circus. The DM are just pissed because they’re being deprived of juicy stories about her health which would run and run making them loads of money. Did you miss all the stuff lately about how they operate?
The RF said she was ill and wouldn’t be back before Easter. Posters are on here working night and day to give completely baseless stories legs and it’s worse on other platforms. Trolls, bots and useful idiots are amplifying the narrative to a critical point.
I assume they felt coerced into providing proof that she’s ok, but actually she’s still recovering and not actually ok enough yet to want to be photographed for the mob to pick apart. In line with what they said about not being back until after Easter. Anything else is rumours and clickbait.

My concern is about the public being manipulated but it’s not by the RF.

My concern is about the public being manipulated but it’s not by the RF.
This is one of the sanest posts on this sorry topic.
The public are being manipulated and it is not by the royal family.

EasternStandard · 13/03/2024 08:22

LittleGlowingOblong · 13/03/2024 08:18

The speculation is feverish and the conspiracies are insane.

But maybe it’s not just salacious gossip that’s making us so feverish. If the King is very ill, and the Heir to the throne is divorcing…. what does this mean for the legitimacy of the idea of a monarchy?

Who’s going to be on the throne two years from now? And who’s going to be sitting next to him, or her?

It’s actually very unsettling for us all as ‘subjects’ if you will.

Edited

How is your post not just salacious gossip?

You're talking about divorce without real info

Thedrownedprophet · 13/03/2024 08:23

ColleenDonaghy · 13/03/2024 08:11

Intrigued by the Colbert piece, won't have a chance to watch it til later. I know he has no time for the concept of monarchy but he's a pretty decent guy.

I thought it was funny, but I'm a fan of Colbert.

He's right about the ridiculous pronunciation of "Chomondesley" too.

Deardoofus · 13/03/2024 08:24

LoreleiG · 13/03/2024 08:03

So many ‘mysteries’ eh? Mystifying.

Mystic Meg is on a roll.

LoreleiG · 13/03/2024 08:29

“The public are being manipulated and it is not by the royal family.”

Yep.

ColleenDonaghy · 13/03/2024 08:31

Thedrownedprophet · 13/03/2024 08:23

I thought it was funny, but I'm a fan of Colbert.

He's right about the ridiculous pronunciation of "Chomondesley" too.

Knew he'd be all over that. Grin

GlitteryBomb · 13/03/2024 08:31

Serenster · 13/03/2024 07:10

And this is why it’s so weird that for that few seconds when they knew they would be photographed, W chose to be looking at his phone and K chose to be looking at a wall.

Maybe they didn’t know they were going to be photographed? The photographer wasn’t at one of the gates to Windsor Castle, he was on a suburban street in Windsor that happens to be on the way to the M4.

Why would a pap be stationed on a suburban street that connects to the M4?

RockyandBullwinkle · 13/03/2024 08:34

PinkTonic · 13/03/2024 07:58

Trust and confidence is being eroded at alarming speed. You know you are in trouble when the Mail turns on the RF. it looks like they are just about sick of the whole circus and are biting back with barbed articles

But it’s the press and the online misinformation machine that have created the circus. The DM are just pissed because they’re being deprived of juicy stories about her health which would run and run making them loads of money. Did you miss all the stuff lately about how they operate?
The RF said she was ill and wouldn’t be back before Easter. Posters are on here working night and day to give completely baseless stories legs and it’s worse on other platforms. Trolls, bots and useful idiots are amplifying the narrative to a critical point.
I assume they felt coerced into providing proof that she’s ok, but actually she’s still recovering and not actually ok enough yet to want to be photographed for the mob to pick apart. In line with what they said about not being back until after Easter. Anything else is rumours and clickbait.

My concern is about the public being manipulated but it’s not by the RF.

Absolutely this.

It's not the RF doing the manipulating.

The media are doing what they do best and that's whipping people up into a frenzy because well, it's easy. The last 48hrs on here is a good example.

I don't think the media are liking the potential direction of travel that P&PofW might actually be taking. Autonomy is not a word the press want to hear, they don't want to be relegated to lifting shots from RF insta pages.

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 13/03/2024 08:50

LittleGlowingOblong · 13/03/2024 08:18

The speculation is feverish and the conspiracies are insane.

But maybe it’s not just salacious gossip that’s making us so feverish. If the King is very ill, and the Heir to the throne is divorcing…. what does this mean for the legitimacy of the idea of a monarchy?

Who’s going to be on the throne two years from now? And who’s going to be sitting next to him, or her?

It’s actually very unsettling for us all as ‘subjects’ if you will.

Edited

Well the current King is on his second marriage, so there’s a very clear precedent for a divorced monarch. Hopefully Charles makes a full recovery, but if not, it wouldn’t be the first short reign in the history of the monarchy - and it’s not like he’d be succeeded by a boy king at the mercy of manipulative 15th Century courtiers. William is 16 years older than the Queen was when she took the throne and has been preparing for this his entire life.

I can also assure you that it won’t be a she on the throne in two years’ time.

CurlewKate · 13/03/2024 08:51

@RockyandBullwinkle "The RF said she was ill and wouldn’t be back before Easter."

Yes they did. That was their first mistake. For a person to appear in public looking their usual self and then days later to disappear for 4 months for "planned surgery" is so outside most people's experience that of course there's going to be curiosity and speculation and for some people worry. It was so badly managed. And the last few weeks have been catastrophically managed. Either they are doing their own PR, or someone needs to be sacked. It was INSANE of them not to have anticipated the speculation. Insane. I'm not saying it's right. It's just a fact. I have no idea how they get it back now.

mardylookingfrump · 13/03/2024 08:55

It’s actually very unsettling for us all as ‘subjects’ if you will.
I won’t, and it isn’t.

RockyandBullwinkle · 13/03/2024 08:55

@CurlewKate that wasn't from my post but the post I quoted ( do agree with that poster though).

RoyalDramaLlama · 13/03/2024 08:57

RockyandBullwinkle · 13/03/2024 08:34

Absolutely this.

It's not the RF doing the manipulating.

The media are doing what they do best and that's whipping people up into a frenzy because well, it's easy. The last 48hrs on here is a good example.

I don't think the media are liking the potential direction of travel that P&PofW might actually be taking. Autonomy is not a word the press want to hear, they don't want to be relegated to lifting shots from RF insta pages.

William can try and get by if he likes without the contract between the Royals and the press and see where that gets him. It would be far better for all of us if we didn't have Royal Rota press releases printed wholesale as news, puff piece after puff piece about how amazing and hardworking they are, the press telling us about how William can't do any more duties ' because he needs to do the school runs and have every school holiday off' and truthful reporting about what he and his family are doing. We know what that looks like from his brother. The Royals cannot survive without the press. His father knows it, his grandmother knew it. He can't garner interest on his own merits because all he has is that he's a member of the Royal Family and the publicity that brings. Once he stops being overpraised for doing the bare minimum, he may have to buck up his ideas. That will be good for us all, if the future head of state is properly held to account and stops buying off the press with fancy lunches and promises of photographs with the kids. The press care about revenue, and they'll get loads more from scandals. Wills will have to make sure he is squeaky clean. Again good for us all.

LoreleiG · 13/03/2024 09:03

RockyandBullwinkle · 12/03/2024 22:24

@Severalwhippets have you thought about cutting and pasting all your posts into one massive one and then reading it back to yourself?

And then perhaps enrolling in a creative writing course.

GreenClock · 13/03/2024 09:08

I’m a republican and happy for the gentle piss to be taken out of the absurd and anachronistic RF/aristocracy (although I’d rather see proper scrutiny) but that American guy whoever he is was savage, spiteful. It’s not necessary. These are three human beings and there are six kids in the mix too.

I initially bought into the conspiracy theories but now I tend to think that it is what it says on the tin. A woman recovering from a serious abdominal condition and her rather workshy husband taking the opportunity to chill out like his lazy aristocratic mates on the basis of “taking care of the children”. Charles’ diagnosis coincidental but “caught early” as Sunak said, rather than terminal/fake as the conspiracy theorists think.

LadyMuckonpancakes · 13/03/2024 09:11

ColleenDonaghy · 13/03/2024 08:31

Knew he'd be all over that. Grin

What’s funny about such an unpleasant spiteful skit?

CurlewKate · 13/03/2024 09:12

@RockyandBullwinkle Apologies. My post still stands, though!

Mirabai · 13/03/2024 09:13

CurlewKate · 13/03/2024 08:51

@RockyandBullwinkle "The RF said she was ill and wouldn’t be back before Easter."

Yes they did. That was their first mistake. For a person to appear in public looking their usual self and then days later to disappear for 4 months for "planned surgery" is so outside most people's experience that of course there's going to be curiosity and speculation and for some people worry. It was so badly managed. And the last few weeks have been catastrophically managed. Either they are doing their own PR, or someone needs to be sacked. It was INSANE of them not to have anticipated the speculation. Insane. I'm not saying it's right. It's just a fact. I have no idea how they get it back now.

I agree with all this. As a Republican I had no interest in the Kate-op story. But since it accidentally turned psy-op - I am.

Total incompetence from the palace coms, they should all be sacked.

Imo it was the same incompetence that led to H&M leaving the family firm, setting up a rival operation in another country, & briefing against their old firm. It’s the number 1 thing you try to avoid with a disgruntled ex employee.

It’s just mismanagement at every turn.

Mirabai · 13/03/2024 09:14

It's not the RF doing the manipulating

Anyone who believes that has never worked in the media. I have.

CurlewKate · 13/03/2024 09:17

And I know I was reassured by someone on here that the children will be protected from social media because they are at private school, but that is clearly bullshit.

mardylookingfrump · 13/03/2024 09:20

I think they did anticipate the brouhaha – it was mentioned in the initial statement, “the princess understands the interest this will generate” etc – but whatever happened was on too short notice to put proper crisis comms in place, and somewhat unprecedented. I do think they overestimated the publics intelligence and shouldn’t have used the word “planned”, which can simply mean surgery was decided on the night before, with an opportunity to fast, take pre-op meds, etc, as that’s led to much of the scrutiny and speculation from people interpreting it as “on the cards for months”. They couldn’t use “emergency” as that really would set the cat among the pigeons. “Unanticipated” might have been wiser but really, nothing in earth could have quelled the rumour mill; Kate is such clickbait, the media need the story of her absence in the absence of her being the story.

I do agree it’s been horribly managed since then, but I don’t think the palaces do crisis comms well – you’d think they would, post-Diana, post-Megxit. But really they’re all about the preparation: look at operation London Bridge, the royal media machine is similar in that it likes to control, to leave nothing to chance; always forgetting that humans are fallible and do unexpected things.

Plus I think their whole PR game is reeling in the absence of being able to use Harry as scapegoat or Meghan as Tory. Papers could cope without Kate clicks for 3 months if they were fed a steady drumbeat of Meghan. The slimmed-down monarchy makes absolute sense in terms of making an outmoded system vaguely palatable to a modern era, but its weakness is the lack of stars. They’ve got two major players on the bench; Wills and Camilla isn’t exactly a dream duo.

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