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Do the Royal Family just think we are really really stupid?

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Bex5490 · 11/03/2024 11:30

Just that really. From Harry’s car chase to Prince Andrew being at a Pizza Express kid’s party.

And now we’re supposed to believe that the country’s biggest PR machine in the middle of a media storm just let Prince William take a casual Mothers Day pic on his iPhone, let the missus edit it and then post it to the world?

😒

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VampireWeekday · 11/03/2024 21:41

IloveAslan · 11/03/2024 19:26

Are all Brits this dramatic, or is it just on MN? Where I live this has warranted a small mention on the news, with the newsreaders looking, or sounding, like they are thinking "what a storm in a teacup."

Some of you must lead very dull lives if this is all you have to froth over. Give it a rest.

This is a really weird comment. You think the people on this thread are dramatic and you're extrapolating from this that 67 million people also share this trait? What possible basis could you have for making such a generalisation?

Of course if you're outside of Britain it wouldn't be a big deal. Because it's not your government. In the 90s all the Berlusconi "gaffs" was given light-hearted fluff coverage outside of Italy, it would have been very strange to say "huh are all Italians so dramatic? Over in Britain we don't care about Berlusconi!".

Just in case your comment was in good faith, I'll spell it out for you: it's a big deal because the monarchy is in fact part of our government structure. The particular individuals in it can't be voted in or out. So they have to behave very well towards "the public" or we get fed up, and when we get fed up we can't even decide to vote them out. We really, really don't like being lied to. If the monarchy is lying to us, then it might be time for a change in government structure.

colouringindoors · 11/03/2024 21:49

Utterly bizarre decision to release a photo that's so manipulated.

BenefitWaffle · 11/03/2024 21:51

The kill order was on the BBC News because it is a big deal.

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 11/03/2024 21:55

Why the need to release a photo in the first place when she's meant to be unwell and recovering.

Oh let's all get dressed up, go out in the cold so we can take a few pics for the people..... Why?

IF she's unwell, surely she'd be resting in her dressing gown or such instead of getting into a pair of jeans.

If she'd taken a more relaxed pic indoors, that would make sense.

All bizarre.

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 11/03/2024 21:57

Clarebelle878 · 11/03/2024 21:38

Just been reading this on the Independent and half way thought, hang on, why is this story at the top of the page...... 🤔
Only a matter of time.

BIossomtoes · 11/03/2024 21:57

Jeans are dressed up now? Seriously?

DramaDhama · 11/03/2024 21:58

It's quite straightforward when you see the areas edited, the two arms, the tile on the left which looks like a step almost but when you follow it it's actually flat, the way Charlotte's arm is cut off and her legs aren't right. She's been papped to show she's alive but always sat down. Catherine is in a wheelchair. Possibly no ring as still bloated from op and you have to take off all jewellery for ops in UK.

Must have been some operation.

Clarebelle878 · 11/03/2024 22:01

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 11/03/2024 21:57

Just been reading this on the Independent and half way thought, hang on, why is this story at the top of the page...... 🤔
Only a matter of time.

Gosh, it’s at the top of the page now? I did think the reference to Rose’s home being very close to anmer hall was quite pointed. If it is what it seems, I didn’t see it coming. I thought he was dedicated to his family’s image at least.

Ulysees · 11/03/2024 22:02

I don't know what people are implying about lady Rose thingamy?

GrazingSheep · 11/03/2024 22:03

This is an editorial piece from the Independent today.

On first reading, the row about the Princess of Wales’s Mothering Sunday photograph appears to be the epitome of royal trivia. According to the explanation that eventually emerged from Kensington Palace, the “manipulation” of the image was no more sinister than the bumbling of an amateur photographer and inexpert user of the Adobe Photoshop software package or the like. In the words of Kate herself: “Like many amateur photographers, I do occasionally experiment with editing...”
Unfortunately for her, as well as for Prince William and their advisers, it also seems that they occasionally like to “experiment” with their comms strategy, too.
In the case of this unfortunate snap – already referred to in tabloid circles as “Kategate” – it has had some calamitous consequences for their public image, and for the trust the public invest in the institution of the monarchy. And that is not a trivial matter. To put it plainly, and despite some spectacular PR failures over the years, the public expect rather more from the royal family than they do from, say, their political leaders, in relation to whom fake news is no shocker.
Members of the royal family are not expected to spin things too far, or to present a false picture of events in any sense of the term. When they do, previous episodes show that the result can be grievous indeed for them – the deceptions around the so-called “war of the Waleses” in the 1990s being a particularly powerful warning from history.
Trust is the issue, then, and an important one. It affects the standing of the institution, and even its functions in a modern democracy. Once questions had been raised about the photograph of Kate and her progeny, and the editing of it had been admitted, some people wondered, reasonably or not, what Kensington Palace has got to hide. If “they” manipulate photographs, what else do they manipulate?
Questions about the photograph persist, despite, or rather because of, the princess’s statement – not least because it is so curt and was so tardy in arriving. Far too many conspiracy theories have sprouted and spread online to be killed off by a single posting on X (formerly Twitter). Why did such a simple, innocent explanation take so long to produce? What made it so important to achieve perfection in what was supposed to be an informal, joyous portrait, admittedly of a not-so-typical family?
Why was it judged so essential to move Princess Charlotte’s hand so that it was disconnected from her arm? What might be the connection with the Princess’s recent surgery and recuperation? Why was she not wearing her wedding ring? Is there more to this than meets the eye?
If the alterations to the picture were so minor, why did the photo agencies decide to “kill” the picture? Further clarifications are required.
The Princess of Wales certainly looked well and fully recovered in the image, so far as it was indeed a contemporaneous representation of her, and the quickest way to resolve all of these issues would be for Kensington Palace to arrange for the broadcasters to capture a few sequences, say, of Kate with her family, walking around the garden.
A little earlier than planned, such a photo op would reassure those concerned for her wellbeing, and confound those who spread spurious gossip, by proving that the original press releases at the beginning of the year were accurate – she’s been undergoing medical treatment and is now recovering well. It might end the confusion, at least to the extent that anything can ever end the wild speculation that thrives on social media. At the very least, the original “raw” photograph should be released.
Kensington Palace is clear that the Princess of Wales did not want to cause offence, and that her only aim was to show her family at its best. However, it is now clear that she did not understand the difference between a family snap and a public image.
British royalty has troubles enoughwithout such self-inflicted injuries to their standing and to the perception of their commonality with the people. A combination of illness, the disgrace of Prince Andrew, the exile of the Sussexes, and the public desire, shared by the King, for a slimmer version of “The Firm”, has led to a sudden crisis of understaffing, and to continuing low-level tensions.
This has not helped things to settle down after the death of the Queen. There remains great public goodwill towards the institution, and little appetite for the United Kingdom to become a republic, but as Elizabeth II pointedly and shrewdly observed in 1997, a hereditary monarchy can only exist with the “support and consent of the people”. This should never be taken for granted

Kate’s apology over THAT photo has only made things worse

With a heart-warming portrait of the Princess of Wales and her family, Kensington Palace has contrived to turn a ‘good news’ story into one about trust and truth in the monarchy – and has only fuelled the conspiracy theories it was supposed to shut dow...

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/kate-princess-of-wales-photoshop-photo-apology-b2510594.html

colouringindoors · 11/03/2024 22:03

That Rose story is strange timing!! Didn't realise her husband is 23 years older. That's a Lot older.

Spectre8 · 11/03/2024 22:05

GrazingSheep · 11/03/2024 22:03

This is an editorial piece from the Independent today.

On first reading, the row about the Princess of Wales’s Mothering Sunday photograph appears to be the epitome of royal trivia. According to the explanation that eventually emerged from Kensington Palace, the “manipulation” of the image was no more sinister than the bumbling of an amateur photographer and inexpert user of the Adobe Photoshop software package or the like. In the words of Kate herself: “Like many amateur photographers, I do occasionally experiment with editing...”
Unfortunately for her, as well as for Prince William and their advisers, it also seems that they occasionally like to “experiment” with their comms strategy, too.
In the case of this unfortunate snap – already referred to in tabloid circles as “Kategate” – it has had some calamitous consequences for their public image, and for the trust the public invest in the institution of the monarchy. And that is not a trivial matter. To put it plainly, and despite some spectacular PR failures over the years, the public expect rather more from the royal family than they do from, say, their political leaders, in relation to whom fake news is no shocker.
Members of the royal family are not expected to spin things too far, or to present a false picture of events in any sense of the term. When they do, previous episodes show that the result can be grievous indeed for them – the deceptions around the so-called “war of the Waleses” in the 1990s being a particularly powerful warning from history.
Trust is the issue, then, and an important one. It affects the standing of the institution, and even its functions in a modern democracy. Once questions had been raised about the photograph of Kate and her progeny, and the editing of it had been admitted, some people wondered, reasonably or not, what Kensington Palace has got to hide. If “they” manipulate photographs, what else do they manipulate?
Questions about the photograph persist, despite, or rather because of, the princess’s statement – not least because it is so curt and was so tardy in arriving. Far too many conspiracy theories have sprouted and spread online to be killed off by a single posting on X (formerly Twitter). Why did such a simple, innocent explanation take so long to produce? What made it so important to achieve perfection in what was supposed to be an informal, joyous portrait, admittedly of a not-so-typical family?
Why was it judged so essential to move Princess Charlotte’s hand so that it was disconnected from her arm? What might be the connection with the Princess’s recent surgery and recuperation? Why was she not wearing her wedding ring? Is there more to this than meets the eye?
If the alterations to the picture were so minor, why did the photo agencies decide to “kill” the picture? Further clarifications are required.
The Princess of Wales certainly looked well and fully recovered in the image, so far as it was indeed a contemporaneous representation of her, and the quickest way to resolve all of these issues would be for Kensington Palace to arrange for the broadcasters to capture a few sequences, say, of Kate with her family, walking around the garden.
A little earlier than planned, such a photo op would reassure those concerned for her wellbeing, and confound those who spread spurious gossip, by proving that the original press releases at the beginning of the year were accurate – she’s been undergoing medical treatment and is now recovering well. It might end the confusion, at least to the extent that anything can ever end the wild speculation that thrives on social media. At the very least, the original “raw” photograph should be released.
Kensington Palace is clear that the Princess of Wales did not want to cause offence, and that her only aim was to show her family at its best. However, it is now clear that she did not understand the difference between a family snap and a public image.
British royalty has troubles enoughwithout such self-inflicted injuries to their standing and to the perception of their commonality with the people. A combination of illness, the disgrace of Prince Andrew, the exile of the Sussexes, and the public desire, shared by the King, for a slimmer version of “The Firm”, has led to a sudden crisis of understaffing, and to continuing low-level tensions.
This has not helped things to settle down after the death of the Queen. There remains great public goodwill towards the institution, and little appetite for the United Kingdom to become a republic, but as Elizabeth II pointedly and shrewdly observed in 1997, a hereditary monarchy can only exist with the “support and consent of the people”. This should never be taken for granted

100% agree with that article.

MeTooOverHere · 11/03/2024 22:09

BIossomtoes · 11/03/2024 21:57

Jeans are dressed up now? Seriously?

Well I wouldn't be comfy in jeans after abdominal surgery. They would require me to 'dress up'.

Livelovebehappy · 11/03/2024 22:10

VampireWeekday · 11/03/2024 21:41

This is a really weird comment. You think the people on this thread are dramatic and you're extrapolating from this that 67 million people also share this trait? What possible basis could you have for making such a generalisation?

Of course if you're outside of Britain it wouldn't be a big deal. Because it's not your government. In the 90s all the Berlusconi "gaffs" was given light-hearted fluff coverage outside of Italy, it would have been very strange to say "huh are all Italians so dramatic? Over in Britain we don't care about Berlusconi!".

Just in case your comment was in good faith, I'll spell it out for you: it's a big deal because the monarchy is in fact part of our government structure. The particular individuals in it can't be voted in or out. So they have to behave very well towards "the public" or we get fed up, and when we get fed up we can't even decide to vote them out. We really, really don't like being lied to. If the monarchy is lying to us, then it might be time for a change in government structure.

This comment is bordering on hysteria. A photo was taken to release for Mother’s Day. It wasn’t as ‘perfect’ as they (William, Kate or other) would have liked. It was photoshopped and released. Had this been three months ago, six months ago, a year ago, it would barely have warranted a comment. But because the media (and mumsnetters it seems) have been pushing for a diagnosis of what Kate has had on the back of her recent hospital stay, day after day, people are upset because they feel the photoshopping has been done to mask how she really looks. Why do we need to know? She’s had an operation, she’s in recovery, why does it need to be our business what that operation was? Why can’t people just leave her alone to get on with her recovery, instead she is having to field this hysteria about a photoshopped picture. Absolute madness.

Meangirl6 · 11/03/2024 22:14

I honestly am missing something. Can someone tell me what's wrong with the picture or how it's been edited? I'm not being sarcastic or anything. I really am just a bit dense and unobservant. Thank you.

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 11/03/2024 22:15

BIossomtoes · 11/03/2024 21:57

Jeans are dressed up now? Seriously?

As in if she's had abdominal surgery, surely that's the last thing you'd want to put on, especially as not necessary.

aliceinthecities · 11/03/2024 22:15

How many times this needs to be spelled out. One thing is to release a doctored photo on social media; another is to release it as an official photo from Kensington Palace to the world's news media. They've done both. International press agencies couldn't publish a lie - and had to "pull" it. UK press don't seem to have done any diligence and went along until the international news agencies pulled the plug. BBC et al had to follow suit. That is why it escalated from a discussion between a small circle of obsessives of various kinds to become big news. It literally never happened before.

Snugglemonkey · 11/03/2024 22:15

Jessforless · 11/03/2024 11:49

Agree, I didn’t care about this before and wouldn’t have clicked on any of the many threads, but they’ve drawn so much attention to themselves, it’s become a bit bizarre.

I hope she is okay and being protected from this and this isn’t making her recovery worse.

This.

But also, yes. They obviously do think that we are stupid.

Zone2NorthLondon · 11/03/2024 22:20

Bex5490 · 11/03/2024 11:30

Just that really. From Harry’s car chase to Prince Andrew being at a Pizza Express kid’s party.

And now we’re supposed to believe that the country’s biggest PR machine in the middle of a media storm just let Prince William take a casual Mothers Day pic on his iPhone, let the missus edit it and then post it to the world?

😒

Yes. RF are entitled and out of touch. They consider us subjects, noisy serfs they rule over. They do think we are fick. Centuries of entitlement

PrimitivePerson · 11/03/2024 22:23

WAGGINGTONGUE · 11/03/2024 12:13

isn't she supposed to be in a coma?🙄

I know, I know, it's serious...

VampireWeekday · 11/03/2024 22:27

Livelovebehappy · 11/03/2024 22:10

This comment is bordering on hysteria. A photo was taken to release for Mother’s Day. It wasn’t as ‘perfect’ as they (William, Kate or other) would have liked. It was photoshopped and released. Had this been three months ago, six months ago, a year ago, it would barely have warranted a comment. But because the media (and mumsnetters it seems) have been pushing for a diagnosis of what Kate has had on the back of her recent hospital stay, day after day, people are upset because they feel the photoshopping has been done to mask how she really looks. Why do we need to know? She’s had an operation, she’s in recovery, why does it need to be our business what that operation was? Why can’t people just leave her alone to get on with her recovery, instead she is having to field this hysteria about a photoshopped picture. Absolute madness.

Which part was bordering on hysteria? The poster I was replying to doesn't live in Britain and didn't understand why a doctored photo is a big deal. I was explaining that it's a big deal because the Royal Family are part of the government and the public don't like being lied to. I don't think any of that is hysterical. Would you apply the same reasoning to any other government agent?

I actually agree with most of what you're saying. I don't think we need to know what surgery Middleton has had. I don't think we're owed a photo of her. I don't care what she looks like post-surgery, at all. They would have been better off just saying "no, she's recovering" or not saying anything at all. But it is weird to post a very heavily edited photo that obviously looks photoshopped, given the background context. It makes you naturally wonder how much of it is edited, and why. Again, not at all hysterical. I don't think she's been killed or is divorcing or is in a coma, or any of the other conspiracy theories. I do think that if you're in charge (even nominally) of the government and can't be voted out, then you should not be deceiving the public on purpose. And perhaps they are not deceiving us on purpose - the point is that we can't tell.

Zone2NorthLondon · 11/03/2024 22:27

Vitriolinsanity · 11/03/2024 20:46

Granted KP should have been on their toes. Very bad day at the office.

Still, you would think all these super duper global press agencies would have had their experts check before publication if they are that super duper.

Issuing a KILL notice is hyperbolic in its most extreme.

Catherine, if I were you I'd say fuck this shite. Pack up the kids and live a normal life.

Sure you would.leave wealthy,obsequious staff,influence and move into a Barratt semi on that new estate. Muttering fuck this shite as you left the baldie husband and dysfunctional in laws. Get a pt job selling party pieces on line

WibblyWobblyJane · 11/03/2024 22:37

Can anyone prove that you aren’t stupid? I’m not seeing much evidence.

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 11/03/2024 22:38

Clarebelle878 · 11/03/2024 22:01

Gosh, it’s at the top of the page now? I did think the reference to Rose’s home being very close to anmer hall was quite pointed. If it is what it seems, I didn’t see it coming. I thought he was dedicated to his family’s image at least.

I picked up on that too and constant references to K.M

Went on to look at Oscar dresses and was greeted by the article.

The interview is from a magazine article from April 2023.

The plot thickens.

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