More Sussex PR antics

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Imagine using the victims of a school shooting for attention and PR. There seem to be no depths to which this pair will not sink

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13178107/Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-pay-surprise-visit-sister-teacher-killed-Uvalde-school-massacre-sing-happy-birthday-heartwarming-clip.html

I’m a fairly forgiving person. It takes an awful lot for me not to forgive acts against me. To date? There is only one person I will never forgive. And it isn’t even my ex.

You badly hurt those I love though? I’m afraid I am not so charitable.

If it were my family, I would not be able to forgive H & M (more so H) for their actions and the actions they have tacitly condoned. I just couldn’t.

And what is to forgive when Harry and Meghan have never admitted any wrongdoing or regret?

My views are exactly the same but both threads cover different topics: One is about the Sussexes PR and the other about the negative media coverage of the Waleses so I just covered it a little differently

I think that is a very pertinent point . Harry seems to miss his family but Meghan has never admitted to any wrongdoing . She also seems able to discard people ( family, friends) without a second thought. I know someone like her ; befriends folk who are useful then dumps them as soon as they are no longer of use . Fascinating to watch.

It's a very difficult situation to relate to as this isn't a normal family disagreement. Harry would have known the impact his allegations would have had on his family and still he carried on

How do you build a relationship when you are worried that every conversation will possibly be added to the next instalment of a book?

The trust is gone and in not sure they will ever get over it. I'm sure William is beyond furious about their treatment of his wife and I don't blame him

I’m afraid another reason I would not like to see H back is because M would probably be landed with all the blame for their actions by all and sundry. And that, to me, would be deeply unfair.

I would not put it past H to make himself look like the victim (once more) to achieve whatever he needed to be accepted back into the fold.

For me, H was the one who caused the most damage. He hurt his family. His words and actions did that. The trust is gone. A relationship may be resurrected but it cannot be the same without trust. He broke that trust so badly I can’t see it ever being the same again.

M is no innocent party in that - but mainly by puffing him up enough to have the balls to do it. Ambition is not in itself hurtful, nor a desire for a higher status. It isn’t a crime to leave those who are no longer pertinent or useful to you in your wake either.

The thing that bothered me was the vague allegations and allusions left hanging in the air. Anyone who has been through that knows how damaging and cruel that is. And yes, she did that.

I dislike that, although they are so vocal about the down side of SM, they remained silent about the hateful campaigns around K&C’s illness revelations. Not one mention. Not even in the vague style mentioned above. Like the worry that comes with a cancer diagnosis isn’t hard enough.

I don’t think they are particularly nice people. Nice people, to me, don’t create a storm of hurt, distrust and vengeance around them. I do think that couples sometimes bring out the very worst in eachother.

But I think it would be very wrong for her to be cast as the big bad villain if he returned. The main thing she did was to enable H.

And I think, at least, I’m fairly glad that she allowed us to see what the establishment had managed to suppress.

This is the crux of it. Something that they’ve so closely guarded and prized, dignity and privacy, have been violated by one who should understand just how important it was to them. All while squeaking and squawking that he wanted privacy for his own family.

I suspect now though that he never really understood anything at all.

Princess Anne was considered difficult when younger. William is smarter than Harry and not as easily manipulated.

If you look at comments on articles in both the UK and US, people don't think Harry should come back and support William. The Nigeria trip got very little coverage in the US and the Archewell scandal was all over the major news outlets.

I agree that M should not take all the blame for the way H has behaved. The problem for me is that she is the wrong person for him and others could clearly see this, but he didn’t want to know for a few reasons I think. Firstly he was so in thrall with her and so overawed by her attention that he didn’t want to see any potential pitfalls of their relationship. Secondly, he was just desperate for his own family like his brother. Thirdly, he seems easily influenced and desperate to please, so he will go along with anything she suggests. Harry is entirely complicit in all this and has at no time stopped to reflect on his role in pitting his family against himself and his wife. He has entirely bought in to the victim mentality and indulged in unpleasant behaviour against those who always had his back

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What a lot of twaddle. Harry isn't a lost puppy to be 'brought home'. He is a grown man who makes his own decisions about where he wants to live and call home. And I can't see any reason why William should want to reconcile.

If they think they've done nothing wrong - their behavior isn't likely to change going forward. So open the door it will be more if the same and wales kid will soon be teens/young adults and "fair game".

Plus I agree it's often easier to forgive things done to me than my DH or kids.

On top of that there the RF and the monarch head of state aspect to consider. I think seeing Harry before the Nigerian trip could have blurred the private verse UK representative line even more - so can see why Harry would want it but RF and Head of state having wider considerations to factor in.

ArcaneWireless · Today 11:46
I’m a fairly forgiving person. It takes an awful lot for me not to forgive acts against me. To date? There is only one person I will never forgive. And it isn’t even my ex.

You badly hurt those I love though? I’m afraid I am not so charitable.

If it were my family, I would not be able to forgive H & M (more so H) for their actions and the actions they have tacitly condoned. I just couldn’t.

I agree 100%.

The cruelty to H's grandparents in their last months, the spite against Catherine and KC with allegations that have had, and will continue to have, repercussions for them and this country for years to come...all while making speeches about mental health and anti-bullying.

it's an awful situation, family-wise, and I don't see how the bridges could ever be mended. I've read lots about all this, but even ignoring any evidence one way of the other, Meghan is the undoubted common factor in all this mess - she's NC with her own family, and now Harry is with his. You sometimes see Disney-minded posts on here piously hoping that H will reconcile with KC and W & C, but for me, the vile accusations made against them on a world stage (and since retracted) make that absolutely impossible. And H can never be a working royal again - it wouldn't be allowed in terms of security and confidentiality - he's cooked his goose there.

As a commentator said, Meghan's a predator who's caught herself a big, juicy piece of meat and has taken it away to eat by herself.

Why is Prince Harry’s spokesman referring to him as the “Duke”?

I don’t know how this works, but find it unusual.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68971455.amp

I do agree CoffeeCantata

You would hope for reconciliation between family members but it very much depends on what has been done to break the bonds, break the trust.

In this case, as painful as it may be for the King to come to terms with, there is no true way back. Not really.

Things may be cordial and loving but the worry of another book, another TV show, a gaping maw and a flapping tongue would be ever present.

The hurt he has caused on top of the betrayal has gone beyond levels most would be forgiving of.

And as AliceOlive (I think) pointed out, he isn’t sorry. Not one bit. Just kicking out still in a fit of pique. He may regret the loss of what he had in his grasp but sorry for the hurt? I’ve not seen any sign of it.

That level of spite in a middle aged man is deeply worrying and hugely unattractive.

What a relief it is that he was not born first.

If someone had met him and was posting on Relationships about him the advice would be 🚩 🚩 galore.

Absolutely agree.

I see, on the video re them landing g on the states, that she can in fact walk without clinging g onto Harry, actually she appears to be striding away ahead of him

@CoffeeCantata your last bit makes me visualise a giant spider playing with a caught fly!

It’s all just acting isn’t it. It is nauseating.

Well there are lots of times she isn't walking hand in hand with Harry it sonly o nhere that this issue has been conflated and turned into a thing. Just another excuse to drag down another woman.

Ms Markle doesnt need other people to drag her down.

@LumiB Why would I need an excuse to drag down another woman?

It’s sad people here are now going after Camilla again, though! Always a woman to blame, right?

Is anyone going after Camilla? The article was written by a friend of Camilla so of course there are going to be questions. No post that I saw was blaming Camilla.

At any rate, it’s a popular pastime on here to go after Meghan when someone she’s known to have contact with says/writes something. It’s a popular pastime to go after the person who said it/wrote it also. Edited to say: that’s what much of this RF is about - discrediting Meghan in any way possible.

There would need to be 50 Meghans to accomplish all the evil things she’s accused of doing.

The post I responded to was implying that Camilla and the author are friends so the info must have come from Camilla.

It seems you want to use my post to change the subject so you can talk about Meghan instead?

@LumiB except it isn't only on here that it is talked about / Meghan pushing and shoving and leading can be seen in various outlets and she's doing it with other people as well. It appears rude.