Harry’s security case

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The judgment is in Harry loses High Court challenge over UK security protection www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68421992 See here

"Scottish Ambassador".

Surely you mean The Secretary of State for Scotland, The Scottish Secretary???

Sorry, just rewatched Restless Natives last week - that lines in my head.

Everyone knows Scotland has Ambassadors - they hand out deep fried haggis balls on a huge platter and spoil us. 😉

Being sensible again - it is understandable Harry wants better Security. His current lot advised him to get out of his protected vehicle and get into a random NYC cab driven by an unvetted, unknown driver in the middle of a "high speed, near catastrophic" car chase from aggressive paparazzi. And then his Head of Security (who apparently was in Obama's Secret Service detail) publicly stated (paraphrasing) "it was terrifying and he'd never seen anything like that before".

Thank God for the random cab driver who said it wasn't a chase and wasn't any more frenzied than normal NYC traffic.

I saw that! If they find out there was some mistake about it Harry’s KC will have to formally apologise to the Court. Awkward…!

State security is privy to classified information and intelligence re: threats that private security won't be
It does not necessarily follow that H would be made privy to that information

True enough in principle, @BreadInCaptivity, but given Harry's demand to know the name of the person who made the Ravec decision is it really likely he'd be happy not to be given the information? Or that he'd resist claiming they were hiding things from him if he didn't get it?

Also there's a very good reason for security info being kept close to the authorities' chests, and I can't really see them being happy to share it with someone so thoroughly indiscreet, with the risk that something very sensitive will be disclosed in his next interview

The CHIMPO and the Dufus: A Fairytale For Our Times.

There, I’ve given them their next book title.

Scotland does not host foreign embassies / ambassadors.

Thank you for clarifying! I actually wouldn't put it past the SNP to try something like that.

@MrsFinkelstein

Everyone knows Scotland has Ambassadors - they hand out deep fried haggis balls on a huge platter and spoil us. 😉

I'm running off to the nearest one now !

There are several foreign embassies in Edinburgh.

That's what I've always thought. There's a reason that security matters are considered confidential and rarely publicly commented upon. Many reasons.

But Harry has basically told the world and his aunt that his security is inadequate. Just more evidence of his complete lack of any sort of world knowledge. And yet he is telling people who are experts in their field that he knows better than them! As you say, whatever anyone might think of Harry as a person, nobody wants anything to happen to them on their watch. He is still the King's son. And the British VIP security services have an excellent reputation. London is a very safe place for the rich and famous, even for the vast majority who are without official escorts of any sort.

They will be consulates, not embassies.

I do think Harry is a bit thick, I can’t lie. His decisions are nothing short of idiotic. I don’t believe Megan is talentless, she’s a decent actress. She’s no Julia Robert’s or Meryl Streep, but she is a decent jobbing actress. Would never have made it big but been able to habe a decent career in tv

but that’s as far as it goes, she’s now way out of her depth. And I think she also lacks intelligence due to the displayed lack of understanding of the ramifications of their stupid decisions. And the things she’s said that were easily disproven.

thr worst part is they don’t understand that. They don’t understand they are out of their depths and lack the ability to achieve what they thought they could.

she was just so fame and money hungry and he was so hungry to be married, have kids and be more important than his brother.

its been mistake after mistake, but it does feel like they don’t understand it’s them, they are the problem, it’s their decisions that habe caused this, their actions. That they feel it is everyone else’s fault. Maybe it’s easier to think that,

they had so much, so much, and they squandered it all as it wasn’t enough for them, and they have now ended up with so very little.

Not sure if this has been mentioned but I have just been reading that Harry was concerned about the “ proximity of the public” when he and M travelled by train to Manchester .
Other members of the RF travel by train with members of the public ! I doubt H and M were having to stand by the toilets in standard class !!

Wow! Does he really think the security implications of travelling by train with the public haven’t been considered before? Or is he truly that horrified at having to be near to the hoi polloi 🙄😆

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For someone whose whole brand was that he was a totally normal, one of the lads royals, he’s really showing that he’s not.

He quite clearly still wants all the trappings of being a royal, without being a royal. I truly think they thought they would be some kind of new American royalty and would immediately slip into an A list world.
Spending all your time sharing your secrets can’t make you very popular in that crowd.

Despite X being full of people insisting they are living their best lives, they quite clearly are not. This is not the life they thought they were leaving for.

Harry himself said he assured Meghan their security would never be removed .
Having had 30 + years of people agreeing and doing his bidding , it must have come as a huge shock when people started saying no !

I agree. He was all just call me Harry, we don’t need titles, when he thought he was about to make it big in the us, telling his truth, but when it failed spectacularly and back fired , he has now latched on to his titles like a drowning man.

He wants back to where he was and thinks by using his titles he may get some of that entitlement and respect back. Now apparently you must address him as prince Harry or sir.hes obviously not loving the disdain rhe public have for him.

the pair of them are clearly utterly desperate.

Thing is they don’t understand you can’t behave in the shameful and mercenary way they have for years, then suddenly say, right, we are royal so treat us like that, and everyone goes oh of course, you’re all royal again, respect man.

the things they have both said about the royal family. The attacks. The indiscretion, the invasion of their privacy. And what makes it worse, it is for money, they tried to fuck the royals over for a foothold in the states and came out of it looking like a global embarrassment.

a Spotify executive called them fucking grifters, Megan faking most of her podcasts. Netflix sources saying they were a night mare to work with. Advisors saying they listen to no one but each other. Palace staff saying Megan bullied them. Statements they make being clearly dishonest or trying to mislead the public, like we are all fools. Highly litigious when they don’t get their own way, trying to use the law to bully. Grubbily wanting freebies from everyone they can, taking anything they can get. From a kids bike from a local cycle store to asking Biden for a ride on air force one. Behaving like low rent celebs and going to every award ceremony they can. Trying to be Bessie’s with a listers or the power players to leverage their fame by proximity. Calling their daughter lillibet and lying about getting permission. Putting out fake news in what they are up to, Dior anyone?

and now it’s call me sir? Um no. When you breach common decency, you don’t come back so quickly. If at all.

I am curious as to whether Harry will visit the UK in light of this development over his security. Hasn’t he hinted heavily that he would be popping over for a few visits? How is he going to mange this without full
special protection security? Unless he gives the required 28 days notice 🤷‍♀️

Does he really think the security implications of travelling by train with the public haven’t been considered before? Or is he truly that horrified at having to be near to the hoi polloi

I did think I might have seen Harry on the Tube once, years ago. Young man with red hair, baseball cap pulled well down, looking down and not making eye contact with anyone, so couldn't get a good look at his face. (And I was trying not to stare, didn't want to draw attention to him if it was H.) I looked round, but couldn't spot anyone who looked like a protection officer - which if it was him, I suppose showed they were doing their job properly.

I truly think they thought they would be some kind of new American royalty and would immediately slip into an A list world

Real A Listers like the Obamas mingle with the real Royals. They won't want anything to do with these two. The Clooneys have a house in England just along the river from Windsor, and I expect they find themselves at events with members of the RF at timrs, through their philanthropic endeavours.

I read the Judgement in full, Harry was given a bespoke arrangement due his particular set of circumstances so he got, in a sense, special treatment but that is still not enough for him.

I would love to know who the person who he is comparing himself to with his petulant I want what they get is, I don't think it is any of the Royals and certainly not William and/or Catherine as their circumstances and situation are not in the least comparable.

RAVEC are completely in the right - Harry will get the security he needs as and when required based on their assessment.

Harry's attitude is appalling.

I think he thought he would win the case when he made that remark, I suspect he will not be popping over any time soon.

In light of everything, maybe they should retract the special treatment completely. The more I learn the more I resent we are now still sponsoring him in any shape or form.

I think it could well be William, despite the fact that their circumstances are not comparable. Harry wants to be treated in the same way as his brother. It doesn’t occur to him that he is not comparing apples
with apples. It also hasn’t occurred to
him that in removing himself
from the UK and as a working Royal, he necessarily will forgo security being provided, despite this being told to his private secretary in January 2020

Just pondering on the cost of these cases. How much money does Harry actually have? He seems to be living a very expensive lifestyle so even with £100million from Netflix he must be burning through it.

He's painted himself into a corner with that one, hasn't he?

He's basically announced to the world that he does not feel the security arrangements in Britain are adequate for his princely needs. The court case, which he initiated, has now confirmed that he won't be getting round the clock security as a matter of course. So if he comes to Britain now, he's basically saying he agrees with the court who ruled against him.

Maybe best for him to stay in the safety of the land of mass gun ownership and 'near' catastrophic car chases.

He won't have got anything like that amount from Netflix. Even if the overall sum was that amount, and I've seen no evidence that it was, that will be a production budget and tied to them coming up with content which meets Netflix's standards. The actual amount Harry and Meghan get to pocket will be way lower.

Spotify dropped them and given their lack of content they will not have got the full amount from them either. He will have some income from his CHIMPO gig and of course 'Spare' will have made him a lot of money. But that's a one off. Apparently he could be on the hook for over a million for this case alone. You could buy the services of some very competent private security men for that.