Harry wants to come back and ‘help’

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Harry “is willing to return to a temporary royal role in support of his father during his illness, sources have revealed. In an attempt to help heal the rift in the family, the King and Prince Harry are said to have had several “warm ­exchanges” since Charles ­received his cancer diagnosis.
The duke is now understood to have told friends that he would step into a royal role while his father is unwell.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-harry-return-royal-role-king-charles-cancer-dn8tcm8nd

Maybe she couldn't tell her mum.

I've been suicidal before yet I still visited my parents and noone knew what was going on. I couldn't tell my parents, they simply wouldn't understand. They would tell me just ignore it or don't say anything and sit back and be passive no matter what other people do to you.

How many people or stories do we hear where the other spouse or friends said they never knew.. yet they are all close to that person.

How did she manage to travel to the baby shower without a passport ?

In fact she took several personal foreign trips during her 5 minutes in the RF

Not so strange. Harry has become a professional victim. I guess he has to be good at something.

She told Harry. It was his responsibility to act.

Is it possible to believe that M told Harry how she planned to kill herself and his child and he still insisted they go out that night? Bollocks.

I do appreciate what you are saying spectre and I am sorry to hear of your suffering.

But H knew.

No matter how it is spun, something ain’t smelling pretty.

Harry said: ‘I was devastated, I knew that she was struggling, we were both struggling, but I never thought that it would get to that stage and the fact that it got to that stage, I felt angry and ashamed.

‘I didn’t deal with it particularly well. I dealt with it as institutional-Harry as opposed to husband-Harry.”

If he had anything about him at all, he would have told Doria sharpish. Pleaded with her to help him. She loved M first - and would have been right to her side.

I’m bloody sure she wouldn’t have let ‘shame’ stand in the way of protecting her daughter.

Not for the first time - he let her down.

Mental illness is a bastard. No question. But it is wrong to blame others when the help should have come from those closer to home. He knew her better. He knew her best.

And Doria knew.

The question is when she was told - by either H or M…. But she was told. Certainly by Meghan.

I remember her telling me that she had wanted to take her own life.
‘And that really broke my heart because I knew – well, I knew that it was bad but to constantly be picked at by these vultures, just picking away at her spirit, that she would actually think of not wanting to be here, that…

‘That’s not an easy one for mom to hear, and I can’t protect her, H can’t protect her.’

So she knew she was being ‘picked apart’ too. So Meghan clearly managed to tell her that as well.

The palace maybe didn’t help in the way that M had hoped or requested but by Christ it was H who failed her most. Not the institution.

And to conveniently absolve him (and possibly her mother too - depending when she was told) of blame but to blame the institution instead is deeply unfair.

The day those scales fall from her eyes will be a sorry day for H.

What vultures is Doria potentially referring to that had got to MM in Jan 2019?

UK tabloid Press?
KC & KM?
The couriers / men in grey suits?
Haterz on SM / comments section?
All of the above?

Harry and meghan have started the process of becoming the american outpost of the royal family and are working their way back to representing the RF with their ridiculous website, crest and grandiose ideas.

This after failing miserably in Hollywood and realising they are not Hollywood royalty so they can only cosplay the BRF. All that boils down to is a carefully constructed attempt to have their half in and half out deal.

A pr construction that will fail as miserably as all of it because they are talentless grifters whose only relevance is their proximity to the RF. no one in the Rf or the UK will give them the time of day.

They are so clueless they think 4 years of trashing both families was a good move. Hopefully the pair will just fuck off on their lifelong privacy tour and leave the RF and the British people in peace.

And it is understandable to shout j’accuse when you are hurting to anyone and everyone that will listen.

But the problem with telling your truth to anyone and everyone is that if you bump your gums often enough the truth will show itself in ways too. Either by a slip or from the mouths of others. As above.

The truth will show itself for everyone to see. Plain as eggs.

The pair of them keep forgetting that and then wonder why opinions of them are as they are.

Also - they have made mistakes as well. If you sit in judgement on others, he prepared for it to bite you back. Constant criticisms and complaining without looking at your own life and behaviour, is a pretty poor way live, never mind make money. Casting stones and all that.

Probably why they weren’t allowed to live in Windsor Castle.

Far cheaper to re-glaze that wee cottage.

The days must fly by with all those cast stones…

They must have biceps the size of my tubby thigh.

You're right about mental health problems, @ArcaneWireless , and it's very obvious that both Harry and Meghan have both suffered. If he had no clue what to do about his pregnant wife's suicide ideation, for goodness sake he ought to have asked someone with their wits about them for help, rather than ignore it. As I said, the obvious thing would be to contact her team at the Portland. He had time, money and contacts, he ought to have been her advocate.

If an actor is watching themselves whilst acting, they aren’t doing a very good job, they aren’t performing the role nor living the character / bringing the character alive. I don’t think watching yourself or being ultra aware of yourself whilst going about daily life is a peculiar trait of an actor. If anything, it should be quite the opposite as an actor should know that doing so will appear false.

When PH says he was also struggling by Jan 2019 - what do we think was going on for them both at that time.

I thought that they were the darlings of the press at that time less than a year after their wedding. My recollection of something being ‘off’ was the SA tour interview later in the autumn of that year. But maybe that was only me paying scant attention.

When were the ‘bullying incidents’ / ‘different cultural ways of interacting’ with staff noted/reported/experienced. It seems you need to compile a timeline of everything just to keep up.

I suppose the pre wedding crying / tailoring upset and tiara situation suggest there was stress / teething problems / issues adapting from the beginning.

Yes - I’m sure you are right about talented actors

@Porkfest I imagine that for someone like PH, who has freely admitted that he has suffered with MH problems, the focus that was on him and Meghan after their wedding was immense. The eyes of the world were quite literally on them, everywhere they went they were greeted like rock stars, everything they did was front-page news - that must've been hugely intense. In addition, Meghan was newly pregnant with their first DC and a new member of the RF and behind the scenes it seems there were lots of misunderstandings about etiquette, dress, how to treat staff, where she stood in the pecking order, what she could and could not do as a member of the RF, etc. None of which Harry seems to have really helped her with and because she thought he would, she turned down offers from Lady Hussey and Sophie Wessex and continued to make mistakes.

Remember too that Meghan had never lived in the UK before she moved over to be PH's fiancée and the US and UK are sometimes described as 'two nations divided by a common language', something I certainly found to be the case when I did the opposite move. It's really easy to misunderstand or to be misunderstood. We all speak English, but the way Americans and Brits articulate things can, at times, be very different. Throw in pregnancy hormones for her and the stress on Harry to support and be everything to this woman he was clearly in awe of and totally in love with in adjusting to his country, his family, the role that his birthright had thrown her into. So, it's not hard to see how both of them might have struggled with their mental health in 2019.

Absolutely. If she had been less arrogant and accepted help and advice and he had been more flexible and confided in his family and tried to get her professional help, things might have turned out differently. __

Most of us on here understand that they both suffered with mental health problems, @LipstickLil , and the adjustment for Meghan must have been significant and onerous.
However, to blame others for the problems instead of trying to get/continue with help and support wasn't a solution.

Why would he have said that’s what happened if it wasn’t?

It didn’t exactly paint him as husband of the year…

No the Palace make the Royal family travel arrangements she obviously used her passport to leave the country frequently aides usually carry them for them and sort any issues sort of smooth the way I mean when have you ever seen any of them passport in hand coming through with everyone else 😉

Exactly 😉

Yes I know i was being ironic.

What got lost in the racism controversy, is that Harry picked up the Ripple of Hope Award from the Robert F Kennedy Foundation, not just for allegedly challenging institutional racism in the RF, but also for challenging their outdated attitude to mental health. Which award he picked up with no irony whatsoever, knowing full well that, not only had the RF supported the Royal Foundation's work on mental health openness, not only was it another member of the RF (his brother) who spotted his struggles and encouraged him to get help; but also that he had, with all that background as a MH advocate, completely let his own wife down in order to save his own embarrassment.

And that award is front and centre on their new website. No distancing themselves from something that was bought awarded with no merit.

@Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar it's a bit like the Living Legend of Aviation then. He's got a brass neck or a he is a simpleton and doesn't understand.