Harry wants to come back and ‘help’

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Harry “is willing to return to a temporary royal role in support of his father during his illness, sources have revealed. In an attempt to help heal the rift in the family, the King and Prince Harry are said to have had several “warm ­exchanges” since Charles ­received his cancer diagnosis.
The duke is now understood to have told friends that he would step into a royal role while his father is unwell.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-harry-return-royal-role-king-charles-cancer-dn8tcm8nd

i think most people blame Harry, or even her mother, for not stepping in and taking over when her mental health was so fragile and she was considering suicide.

His mother allegedly threw herself down stairs when pregnant with Harry

Actually it was with William.

Exactly. I agree. Meghan was with the Portland Hospital. It's a very expensive maternity package for a reason - you get superb and attentive midwife and consultant care. They also do pre natal counselling. Harry couldn't have contacted her midwife or consultant to get her help? I was with the Portland and the Consultant Obstetrician rang me at home. Instead tells her to get dressed and go to an event at the Albert Hall?
Mind you, this is the man who used up her canister of gas and air to get high while she was in labour, so I think we can work out what kind of husband he is.

Ah but the evil RF had her passport didn’t they?

There were many options available to help Meghan at this time in her life. It really is deeply offensive that the RF or any part of their system is held to blame rather than Harry, who appeared unable to scroll down his phone and help his desperate wife.

Your husband or partner would be your first support surely?

Indeed. Had he not been with her to the Portland for scans and other ante natal care? Why not contact one of the team?
How about close personal friend Julia Samuels, or other movers and shakers he met on the mental health pathway? His own therapist? It really is bamboozling.

She wanted to go to an expensive private retreat owned by a friend of hers, have the RF pick up the bill and was told no.

And her keys. To what was not specified.

How do you know this?

Her life, I think.

I think it does make sense about M wanting to go to some A-lister retreat, as that might involve HR (to approve payment) as opposed to contacting a medical professional or a therapist here.

Her mother is a social worker (must deal with distressed mums all the time) and zoom/facetime/teams existed back then too. An online therapist could have been arranged at the very least. I had bog standard NHS care and was still flagged for (on my regular midwife visits) and sent to pre natal therapy on the NHS, which was absolutely brilliant. I have also arranged my own private therapy during some incredibly dark moments. In my case, despair and depression does not equal helplessness.

Sorry, but this whole story has been concocted or twisted to make the RF look like it’s stuck in the dark days of Diana, and mental health shame and helplessness in the face of the men in grey; when her own sons are very public mental health advocates and had been for years, who have talked publicly about their struggles, talked very publicly about William telling Harry he needed help and Harry being grateful for that intervention, and them setting up a whole mental well-being foundation around their own experiences - something they would not have been able to do as royals without approval from the RF on high. There is just no plausible explanation for Harry not finding his own wife help that involves being prevented from doing so by the RF. But for whatever reason he didn’t, the wider RF have been blamed by them, Catherine has been blamed by their attack dog, and the whole thing looks like a hit job, in my opinion.

After my cancer diagnosis I was in a bad way . Forget being strong and fighting and everything else that someone dealing with cancer is meant to do- I was terrified . It got to the stage I simply didn’t want to be here . My husband realised and got me professional help and support and confided in close friends who gave huge support . The point I am trying to make is that Harry should have helped and if he felt out of his depth all he had to do was pick up the phone . He clearly loves his wife and I find it impossible to believe that he could not call on anyone to help . What about her ante natal team. Surely they were on speed dial ?

They might have reason, but as the Royal Family are famous for not suing (exceptions counted on the fingers of one hand) then you can read absolutely nothing into their lack of action. It's a very good long-term strategy.

People do draw a different inference if someone known to be litigious does not sue over an issue though. The RF does not want to become like that.

I'm sorry to hear this, @Mylovelygreendress , and hope that you're out the other side 💐
Of course she had people on speed dial. Of course there were plenty of ways to support her. If she was too distressed to do it herself, then Harry should have, and/or her mum. The whole episode is very strange and that Harry should blame others is even stranger.

It wouldn't be like that.

There is precedent for a Royal Duchess to be an in-patient for MH reasons.

HR departments do not arrange this sort of thing. There is a whole medical department who would be first point of call (and Harry would damn well know that) and they would deal with the financial comptrollers directly.

Thanks @Maireas . Doing well now.
I wasn’t trying to make it about me but rather say that I do know what it’s like to feel suicidal. I am sure there are people in the world who have no one to support them - Meghan is not one of them . And happily not am I.

I think Doria worked with the elderly. She wasn’t involved in caring for pre or post natal issues. It would be the responsibility of the HV here not a social worker. Don’t know how that operates in the US.

I can’t see a situation where family members would be sued. The RF doesn’t work like that.

I don’t believe for a second that there was no help for Meghan.

Also, I was just thinking, was Harry angling to “help” at the BAFTA awards? It would have been so kind of him and Meghan to nip over and fill in at that one (as opposed to opening the old people’s centre in Halifax next Thursday).

This actually makes far more sense than anything I have ever heard before,

I mean, when you think about it, how the heck would a HR professional be in a position to decide to send someone off for inpatient mental health treatment for suicidal tendencies.

I think Doria worked with the elderly. She wasn’t involved in caring for pre or post natal issues. It would be the responsibility of the HV here not a social worker. Don’t know how that operates in the US. Doria is Meghan's mother. When I suffered pre-natal depression, I called my mother and she came down from Scotland to look after me.

Quite, @derxa . Also, Doria specialising with the elderly doesn't mean she can't pick up a directory and find a suitable therapist for her daughter. The resources would have been readily available to her in her capacity as a professional in the care sector.

I think Meghan was sold a life that doesn’t really exist by Harry.

Big projects with lots of scope for helping people and delving into big issues, a choice of palaces to live in, grand state occasions with world leaders and a vault of fabulous jewels and a lifestyle for your children of financial security, the best schools and the trappings of royalty without any of the responsibilities their cousin will have.

When you think of the royals and the big things things like Diana’s meeting with AIDS patients, even Harry and Invictus and Sentebale, but in reality it’s more often having the same conversation with a group of Brownies in Birmingham that you had with Brownies in Burnley last week and Brownies in Barnsley last month.
Even when you do visit places like food banks or rape crisis centres you can’t actually talk about the big issues because that’s political. You have to leave that to the likes of JK Rowling and instead talk about how nice it is to see communities supporting each other.

There are lots of palaces and apartments that the royals have, but ultimately where you live is decided by Granny, and later by your FIL. She decides where you live, who your neighbours are, the size of your place and when you get it.
And that’s the Granny that your husband forgot to mention before you got serious with that you have to curtsy to in public and private. It’s not, as you expected, a very formal family in public and a more normal family in private. They’re just formal and the hierarchy exists all the time.

I think it’s no coincidence that Harry married someone that didn’t know the ins and outs of royal life, and who didn’t have a royal best mate like Cressida to fill her in. I’d also love to know whose idea it was to decline help from Catherine or Sophie for Meghan on the basis she had Harry to help - things may have been very very different if she’d had accurate advice and guidance on things like titles and LPs.

It shouldn’t have been beyond any man to get his wife, not from this country, help when she was depressed and expressed a wish for suicide. It certainly shouldn’t have been behind a man like Harry with his experiences and resources.

At some point I expect her anger will turn on Harry because ultimately he’s responsible for most of the issues.