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So Harry flew for 11 hours and then spoke to his father for 45 minutes ? Charles then bobbed to Sandringham by helicopter and Harry checked into a hotel. I mean wouldn't you think Harry would have gone to Sandringham with Charles maybe ?

So why did you say that it was 'undeniable' that Harry would be advised to go NC with Charles? Seeing as you know 'absolutely nothing' about him and his circumstances?

I wonder if the American security team present a bit of a problem too in terms of Harry going to Sandringham for a few days. They would have to be put up and catered for in a Royal residence which I imagine would present a lot of issues re confidentiality and clashes with Royal staff. Also Harry just can't be trusted to keep his gob shut about anything at all now.

They are lizards @IcedPurple - I've posted about that before. Do keep up!

The 'American security team' seems to be one bloke with a conspicuously displayed Glock.

But yes, it probably would cause issues if staying on a royal property. As would Harry's demonstrated lack of discretion. All things considered, a night in the local Premier Inn is probably best. Their all inclusive breakfast is a good deal too.

People who love their children put them first. People who put their children first don't have very public affairs. And yes, the affairs were very public. I am old enough to remember that time.

So you are in fact saying that Charles and Diana did not love their sons? Despite knowing 'absolutely nothing' about them?

And what about people who are not famous and whose extra marital affairs are of no interest to the public? Do they pass your test?

Quite a conclusion there

You don’t know this

Sadly, all too many people do have affairs, and do so publicly. It becomes known through their communities, and their children have to live with their schoolfriends etc knowing about it.

Yes, they should care enough about their children (and cheated-on partner) enough to end one relationship before embarking on another, but unfortunately we are all human.

I don't agree that means they don't care about their children, or that their children don't come first in other aspects of their lives.

@CurlewKate I bow to your superior knowledge. I see no evidence that Charles loved his sons. Diana? Who knows? Hard to see through the mists of glamour and PR and dis function.

From all accounts, Charles dotes on his sons! Diana clearly loved her sons too.

I can see no basis for your assertion. Whatever flaws their parents had - and my god aren't we all flawed in some way! - they loved/love their sons!

@IcedPurple Some figures here:www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2023/01/19/how-rich-are-prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-heres-what-we-know-about-the-power-couples-135-million-deals/?sh=72278143d868

Whenever he/them do something cringe-worthy (always?) I can't help but wonder who their PR people are. Is it WME? The things they do just make them look horrible. Dashing over to see his dad for 12 minutes. Who suggested that would be a good idea? Riding around in a car grinning maniacally. Who told her that would be a good look? Someone has been/continues to be giving them just horrible advise.

Ha! Camilla would not have let him. She protects her husband.

I think the problem might be they aren't taking advice @chrisfromcardiff , particularly as the staff leave often.

That's a year old puff piece, full of word like 'reports' and 'estimated'. Spotify dumped them, so they won't have that. And as I said above, even if the Netflix deal is 'worth' 100 million, their net profit will be a fraction of that amount. Given that they've only produced one ratings success in over three years, a 'documentary' whining about royal life, I would say it's unlikely Netflix will renew.

So while they certainly aren't and never will be poor, it's hard to see how they can continue to make big money in the long term.

@EasternStandard "You don’t know this"

What don't I know? That they had public affairs? That people who have affairs arenMt putting their children first?

That it means they didn’t love their children

We could consider the idea that they come up with these ideas themselves.

WME are a talent agency, not a PR company. And Meghan is on their books, not Harry. I don't think they're micromanaging Harry's family arrangements.

Maybe Harry is just not very bright?

No it's simply that he had a timeline to follow to get to LV.

You are right. At first it seemed they had something interesting to say, but then after listening to them tell "their truth" and speaking in such confusing word-salad-psycho-babel BS way, people are not all that interested in what they have to say anymore. Who would pay large $$$ to listen to either one of them?

And people who have private affairs? What of them?

I don't think even the best parent 'puts their children first' every hour and minute of every single day. Charles and Diana were wrong to have affairs, but to say that means they didn't love their sons is just ridiculous. And I think you know that.

Totally agree. I think those two will be the type who won't take any advice but will just run headlong into things without thinking it through

It would have made more sense for Harry to have made a statement saying he was in regular contact with his Dad & intended to fly over to see him soon. Then arranged something that suited The King & stayed for a while.

Instead his trip has turned into a farce

Dog bowl gate! Love that. I have heard the dog bowl story, of course, but not Dog Bowl Gate. There should be a t-shirt.

I am sure that when they embarked on affairs, they thought they could keep them secret.

It's ridiculous to say that because a parent has an affair which is then publicised, they don't love their children!

It would have made more sense for Harry to have made a statement saying he was in regular contact with his Dad & intended to fly over to see him soon.

Indeed.

And it had already been said that Charles had contacted both W&H so he wasn't being sidelined!