Indifference to PoW?

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I find it strange that there’s no real interest or concern from the public about POW being in hospital. Nobody seems to be that bothered. If you compare it to the circus if Diana had been in the same situation….. I just find it odd. I always thought she was relatively popular because we’re constantly told she is but actually…. Tumbleweed.

I know it’s her own business etc but it just feels quite odd that somebody can disappear and there is no interest in why. I don’t really know or care what’s happened or why, but the silence is really intriguing. It reminds me of when the brexit referendum happened and I had no idea that there was such strong feeling about the EU…. I had no idea that there was such apathy about the PoW until now. It’s been a real eye opener for me.

I reckon the next generation or two, the monarchy will be gone.

Really?

Yes really.

Threads may well be created after articles in the press. Those articles in turn may be because of comments made, books written, TV appearances made though. Some articles are uncalled for and nasty but similarly others may not be plucked from thin air.

And articles in the press becoming thread matter happens with a lot of press articles - not just with ones about the RF.

Some people will do anything for an argument on here. They don’t need the press to make them act like that.

Some of us are capable of having an opinion with what we’ve seen or heard.

For that is all it is. An opinion. It doesn’t make it wrong. It doesn’t make it right. It isn’t hating. It is an opinion.

As for the faux naïveté posts? Enough said - plenty of examples of that too. I’m sure most spot them a mile off.

Threads may well be created after articles in the press.

Always. If it's to do with Meghan anyway. If she shows her face or opens her mouth, and the likes of the Express or whatever writes about it, there's a thread. No, of course it isn't just RF threads! In the News section, or politics for instance.

But if there's an article out there about Meghan or Harry, all the more for some posters to pour over. The media feeds it. Clickbait.

Yes. We are all entitled to our opinion. That's the nature of a forum. Discussion. Differing opinions etc.

Just checked with one of my DC - the DC use the term fangirl and fanboy completely casually and no-one seems offended. Also checked online and I just can’t get that it carries any sensible meaning other than unduly sycophantic. There’s one reference to it being synonymous with groupie but that’s not the context on these threads or in places people seem to use the term in rl.

I’m not convinced.

I suppose what I am trying to say is that we cannot blame conduct on here on the press.

We choose whether to click or comment on a thread. We choose how we choose to post.

It may be thought of as clickbait but we are not compelled to respond.

True enough. There’s a market for what the media go with

High return and it’ll be used more

I think it's used on here as a bit of an insult actually. Ditto stan.

What are the connotations beyond sycophancy which are offensive though Rousette? The charge of cringy or even ill educated sycophancy is often perfectly reasonably merited on these threads. And very minor in comparison to much of the other language used here when posters not quite so enamoured with the rf make points which aren't wholly fantastical.

I think you must see something in the term that I don't.

I am only going by history and how it's been on here. If it is used in an insulting way by a poster, it will be taken as an insult!

I think it's certainly fair to say that the pro rf posters are on the whole vastly more personally insulting and offensive to those who are not at all pro than the other way round. Possibly it's an extension of this strange psychology of some more extreme pro rf people feeling they have a real connection with the family member in question.

That's the nature of a forum. Discussion. Differing opinions etc.

Indeed it is.

It is a pity though that some take the etc. to mean that they can sweepingly infer that posters with differing opinions are hateful (or worse).

That isn’t to say that there aren’t people who are deliberately inflammatory or indeed hateful, but to accuse others of that too, just because their opinion is vaguely negative, is unfair.

Those who choose to consistently poke with thinly veiled or indeed overt insults to others have no place in a civilised discussion. No matter how fancily they choose to word it.

It is posters like that who fuel the division.

It is almost pitiful that they feel the need to do that.

Funny how differently we see things isn't it, as I'd say it's the exact opposite.

RocketsMagnificent7 I don't think the pattern of the threads bear that out. The threads themselves are a pretty objective measure.

I'm sorry Arcane. Your post, in its vagueness, means I don't understand it. All I can see is.. you are referring to certain posters who say certain things, I have no idea who they are or what they have said.
It is just veiled digs at people who you feel don't discuss or give their opinions in the right way, is it not?

And your post is full of the fancy prose you talk of!

I am not picking a fight here, I genuinely have no idea to whom you are referring and what you mean.

Although I haven't been on that many to be fair - seven maybe? Maybe other ones have a different balance.

But the threads that I have been on have definitely been strongly weighted the way I said. So all I mean is that I could be generalising - but it's been quite an eye opener just how offensive people have been.

I think it's certainly fair to say that the pro rf posters are on the whole vastly more personally insulting and offensive to those who are not at all pro than the other way round.

That was true few years ago for a period of time - anything defending Markel especially at one point got nasty but last 2 years plus it's been other way around with obvious attempts to get threads deleted and more than a few banning's.

Conformation bias means those from one camp will have differing perceptions though.

This is a every tribal sector on MN and I actually think many RF supporters just avoid it entirely and any one in middle and not in either camp frequently gets jumped on by both "sides".

more extreme pro rf people feeling they have a real connection with the family member in question.

I just haven't see it with proRF posters but many or H&M supporters write as if there were personally at events and know the people in question - it's really odd and very noticeable and gives off crazy vibes.

I don’t think I was trying to be fancy Roussette and I was speaking generally rather than alluding to ‘certain posters’.

Simply?

Discussion is fine. Differing opinion likewise. Attempting to insult other posters with sweeping generalisations for having a different opinion? Not so much.

Hopefully that is plain enough this time round. It is merely my opinion.

I think others will have seen examples of it.

And on both ‘sides’ - although I dislike having to use that term. Most opinions here to me just aren’t that black and white.

For me though, a few posts seem to just be attention seeking/ stirring/nasty or unfair for the shits and giggles.

Sometimes posters will bite. Been there. Done that.

I feel it is getting increasingly easy for me not to give some posts/threads the air if I think they are being disingenuous.

It saves it going down the George Bernard Shaw pig quote road.

Yes, Arcane, both ''sides' at times guilty of this. I've seen it and been subjected to it. Just for having a different opinion. Which is why I swerve some threads. They're just not worth it.

I completely agree!

I found your post completely clear @ArcaneWireless !

Shame I’ve just bitten on another thread though jeff ..

I still think it is wise not to give some posts air, although sometimes a response is absolutely warranted.

It's not easy to keep mum and take the higher ground!
The best of us get needled occasionally! 💐
Chin up @ArcaneWireless.

It definitely is 👍

Another tactic I have spotted is to take the most extreme post from the opposite 'side' and then imply that all the other posts you don't agree with - no matter how nuanced - are equally ridiculous/venomous/unfair.

That sometimes gets a reaction that can be used to turn a thread into a delete-fest

Well something I have spotted is that when someone posts an extreme post, the ‘same’ side tend not to call them out for it.