Indifference to PoW?

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I find it strange that there’s no real interest or concern from the public about POW being in hospital. Nobody seems to be that bothered. If you compare it to the circus if Diana had been in the same situation….. I just find it odd. I always thought she was relatively popular because we’re constantly told she is but actually…. Tumbleweed.

I know it’s her own business etc but it just feels quite odd that somebody can disappear and there is no interest in why. I don’t really know or care what’s happened or why, but the silence is really intriguing. It reminds me of when the brexit referendum happened and I had no idea that there was such strong feeling about the EU…. I had no idea that there was such apathy about the PoW until now. It’s been a real eye opener for me.

I reckon the next generation or two, the monarchy will be gone.

The photographers only spotted William visiting once very briefly. They were outside the hospital covering all entrances. William could have visited in a boot of a car, but why would he?

Why do you think he only visited once. He was only pictured once but there have been press reports since she left hospital saying he was there everyday, there when she was discharged but arrived and left via a private entrance.

There is no private entrance. There is a side entrance that Charles and Camilla used, and they used the main entrance. Both still require driving cars into the main street. The only way to avoid the press is if you leave in the back of a van or the boot of a car.

Which raises the obvious question if why would William bother going to such lengths to hide that he was visiting his wife?
Or more realistically he did not.

The report I read was that the press were only allowed to stand outside the hospital for one day, the day PW was photographed. On other days, they weren't allowed anywhere near the hospital. So I'm guessing it was thought that a 'pap drive' was required and then the photographers were kept well away on other days.

The London Clinic is based on a number of separate buildings over two blocks, not all adjoined. Depending on which block/building the Princess of Wales was being treated in it is entirely possible that her visitors were not observed. Do we know which of those buildings she was in? I don't think this has ever been stated and only the main entrance/block has ever featured in the news bulletins. Alternatively, they may have reached agreement with the press not to publish details of visitors.

@OutwiththeOutCrowd that report was a lie. There were reporters outside on the pavement all the time. Not many, but they were there.

@meercat23 The side entrance was in the news. Camilla and Charles were photographed on one occasion there.

Does anyone seriously believe that neither her husband nor any member of the Middleton family visited her ??

How come the Princess wasn’t photographed when she left then? That rather suggests it is possible to get in and out without being seen. Why are you so determined that her husband didn’t visit her?

It seems some do.

They may or may not be the same people who do not believe that there is a delivery entrance, presumably because they have decided that the only two which count are main doors for ambulant patients and visitors.

@smilesy that is an interesting question. I do not know the answer.
You only had to take a wander down there to see the reporters. I am not making this up. Why would the reporters not take photos of William visiting on other days? Or of Catherine leaving the hospital at the time about 11am, it was alleged she was leaving? Or at least report it? No one knew until a statement was made that she had supposedly left the hospital.
I do not care if he visited or not. I do get fed up of the lies though the public are expected to swallow without question.

@NaiceViper You are totally ignoring my posts then? I have already talked about other entrances. They were covered by reporters. A side entrance was featured in the media with photos of Camilla and Charles.
Nobody thinks there is only the main entrance. You are strawmanning.

No I'm not and I suggest you check the definition of a strawman.

"There is no private entrance" you said. There's a main entrance and a side entrance you said. Mentioning no others.

I mentioned two entrances for ambulant patients/visitors - no different to what you wrote.

Then added about the delivery entrance. And, by referring to the other doors as for the ambulant, begging the question about patient movement when non-ambulant. Or indeed dead. For they don't get lugged through two doors that are the only ones you mention.

Now, airbrushing that out of the picture leads to an erroneous line of thinking that if the press were continuously monitoring the two doors must mean there were no other visits.

The existence of more doors means that line of thinking cannot be relied on as accurate. So further surmise on what absence of visitors means is useless, as the premise that there were no further visitors is not sound.

There’s obviously a way into the hospital that wasn’t available to the photographers because the only shot they got of William was in the car. If it had been possible to photograph him walking into the building they would have done so.

All that’s required therefore is for any visitors who did not want to be photographed to sit in the back of a car with tinted windows - get past any lurking cameras and then enter the building hidden from view.

I don’t believe for a second that her Mum and Dad didn’t visit her at all for two weeks in hospital and if the press had managed a photo of them we would have seen it.

So we have no idea how many times William visited but it’s nonsense to try to insist that he only visited once because he was only photographed once.

You can believe what you want. But go to the hospital. All entrances lead to a public road or pavement. Reporters were covering them all. If there was a car with tinted windows they would see that going in, even if they did not know who it was.

Reporters saw no one who fit the bill. So either William did not go as he claimed, or he sneaked in in the back of a van or boot of a car. But why would William do that?
The logical answer is William visited once when he was photographed.

You can believe what you want. But go to the hospital. All entrances lead to a public road or pavement. Reporters were covering them all. If there was a car with tinted windows they would see that going in, even if they did not know who it was.

Reporters saw no one who fit the bill. So either William did not go as he claimed, or he sneaked in in the back of a van or boot of a car. But why would William do that?
The logical answer is William visited once when he was photographed.

There is a goods entrance though. It’s listed on the website. So they could have used that. As you say, you didn’t know how the Princess left (or indeed arrived) without being seen so I’m not sure why you insist on saying that William can’t have visited because no one saw him when you admit that you don’t know how the Princess left discreetly 🤷‍♀️. You also say you don’t care if he visited or not but are fed up of “lies”. What lies? The palace never claimed that he visited her (although I’m pretty surely did). Why would he not visit her?

Also - it’s a very fancy private hospital - just think how many fancy cars with tinted windows and drivers etc will be going in and out all day - what are the press going to do take pictures of 10 different black SUV type vehicles and speculate about the passengers of each one.

Presumably her family didn’t want every expression analysed on each visit - are they looking worried, anxious, upset, etc

As theories go though, poor POW gets no visitors for the two weeks she’s in hospital - it’s very mild compared to some of the absolutely vile theories being spread by the so called ‘sussexsquad’ on Twitter/X.

Those people are really unhinged.

I have a theory

I think she possibly had the op and a stay in hospital 2 weeks before it was announced. And by the time William visited she was actually out and convalescing either at Windsor or even at the Middletons family home. William made the token visit to make it look legitimate but she had no other visitors because she was actually out and getting better.

This would be quite easy for the RF to do given they have the ways and means with PPOs, security, etc. Kate hadn't been seen since Christmas so it really is quite feasible.

I am not speculating. I am offering an opinion on what I would do if I were her!

@smilesy Are you suggesting William visited her in the back of a van? Why would he do that?
I thought the Palace had claimed that William visited Kate every day.
And my suggestion was that the reporters did not see Catherine leaving at 11amish because that too was a lie. Why I have no idea.

@wordler you are wrong, there are not lots of cars with tinted windows going in and out of the hospital every day. The few that did reporters were chasing down the street and looking in windows. They still did not see William or Catherine.

Charles and Camilla handled the media well. They posed for photos and had excellent press as a result. William could do with learning from his father how to handle the media. He could have been driven to the hospital and waved to the press from the front seat instead of allegedly hiding in the back of a van to sneak in the goods entrance.

@Roussette I think your theory fits with the known facts. But if true William should have simply announced that Catherine had surgery and is now recovering at home/at her parents. By saying she was still in the hospital it set up a charade where William was inevitably going to be criticised for the lack of visits.
I do think William's handling of the media is extraordinary poor.

I agree but the RF do suit themselves,. And on this occasion, if it was some sort of planned surgery, I'd be playing cat and mouse with the media and getting the last laugh. But that's me! And if it got out, I would look stupid, what's new 😂

All the speculation on here and elsewhere? For that is what it is - from the procedure, the visits or lack thereof or where and when it happened - it is merely speculation, no matter how it is spun.

I’m not surprised they have handled it the way they have - folk would have been falling over themselves to make up their own series of events even if they’d been told everything that had actually happened anyway.

and if ‘William's handling of the media is extraordinary poor’ then…

I saw a report that he did visit every day but after the initial photo it was agreed that the paps would leave him in peace. Theres no way she had no visitors for a fortnight. Were the photographers actually there all day every day?

I think too many people are comparing this to previous hospital stays where everyone has gone in the main entrance all smiles because she'd just had a baby. Completely different circumstances this time

I can totally understand why she left in secret. Can you imagine the reports and comments on here. She's been in hospital for weeks after surgery with a long recuperation ahead. She probably looked and felt like shit - hardly how anyone would want the world to see them. If shed put on a public face & come out with hair & make up the comments would have been saying there wasn't much wrong with her. A no win situation

The very fact she left with noone seeing her indicates there is another route in & out away from prying eyes.