Indifference to PoW?

[FaiIureToLunch]

I find it strange that there’s no real interest or concern from the public about POW being in hospital. Nobody seems to be that bothered. If you compare it to the circus if Diana had been in the same situation….. I just find it odd. I always thought she was relatively popular because we’re constantly told she is but actually…. Tumbleweed.

I know it’s her own business etc but it just feels quite odd that somebody can disappear and there is no interest in why. I don’t really know or care what’s happened or why, but the silence is really intriguing. It reminds me of when the brexit referendum happened and I had no idea that there was such strong feeling about the EU…. I had no idea that there was such apathy about the PoW until now. It’s been a real eye opener for me.

I reckon the next generation or two, the monarchy will be gone.

Just showing your ignorance there, aren't you?

Can't you just respect a very elderly dying woman for getting herself up and out to meet two Prime Ministers when it must have been the ultimate struggle, when most other human beings would have cried off?

Plus she dealt with her red box of official papers - doubt you'd be up for that at 96, if you are lucky enough to live that long. And that was every sodding day of her life since her mid 20s apart I think from Christmas Day or something?

The "average pensioner" until recently had retired by the age of 60 or 65!!!

The RF don't just rock up to engagements either. They have to do their prep, so that they can hold an informed conversation.

What a disgusting attitude. You haven't got the faintest clue.

Would you get out of your deathbed at 96 to hold meetings???

Yes, with the snotty keyboard warriors being vile to you.

And with the actual work of getting genned up and prepared to meet people tbf.

yes agree, but that would mean other threads would have to stop pretending,

Yes @Samcro , it would be a refreshing change! , then we could avoid them instead of discovering it's not what you think it's about.

If only, imagine that was a rule. No more threads that pretend to be about a book or ones that end up as a Meghan bash.

It would be great!
I avoid all clothing and criticism of bodies looks threads on purpose, I have no interest in doing either for any person, it doesn't matter what my personal opinion on their behaviour, I don't like the criticism or shaming.
This is of course my personal opinion snd others may do as they wish.

Well, if a book is about the behaviour of various individuals it is difficult to discuss the book without reference to the behaviour.

But threads about how wonderful someone looks, and no criticism allowed? Yes, just put that in the title.

So you are saying the thread is all about the book 📖?
anyways don’t want to be deleted.
just think that it’s a good idea, but only workable if it applies to all threads.

I think there are a couple of threads that state that. Of course comments do go off on tangents, but then they get called back.

Other threads are more varied because they deal with wider issues

Can't you just respect a very elderly dying woman for getting herself up and out to meet two Prime Ministers when it must have been the ultimate struggle, when most other human beings would have cried off?

To me, this points to her personal ambition rather than self sacrificing duty. I thnk she was hugely ambitious and was a woman of steel. I do nto condemn that by the way.

However, if the country rather than the crown were her driving force then I think she would have handed over to Charles much sooner. Instead we have an elderly woman handing over to an elderly man who will in turn, hand over to an elderly man. None of them are very inspiring so youth would help - in my opinion.

We see the consequences of that - normally we have public demonstrations of affection/concern for ill members of the family. There have been no flowers or vigils for the PoW. It stands out.

They do not always hold informed conversations. They often have stock questions they ask.

@yesmen

“normally we have public demonstrations of affection/concern for ill members of the family. There have been no flowers or vigils for the PoW. It stands out.”

She isn’t dead ! Why would there be a vigil ??

I don't think I've ever known "public displays of affection or vigils" when a member of the Royal Family has been ill.

“normally we have public demonstrations of affection/concern for ill members of the family. There have been no flowers or vigils for the PoW. It stands out.

Something stands out to me.

It ain’t the lack of vigils…

I think people do have a passing interest but are focusing more on how to plan for the future and survive the cost of living crisis, the absolute shambles which are our current government and what they are doing to the fabric of this country, from Covid financial sleaze, the crisis in the NHS, teachers leaving the profession, worrying foreign affairs which may continue to affect the import of goods and services (eg food, energy, we have to buy in, etc etc). 🌹

“normally we have public demonstrations of affection/concern for ill members of the family. There have been no flowers or vigils for the PoW. It stands out.”

This doesn’t accord with my memory at all. Prince Phillip was the senior Royal most recently hospitalised, but I don’t recall anything like this happening. The Queen spent a night in hospital in 2021, but that wasn’t revealed until after she left, so clearly didn’t happen then.

Do you have any examples of this?

Serenster · Today 06:32

“normally we have public demonstrations of affection/concern for ill members of the family. There have been no flowers or vigils for the PoW. It stands out.”

This doesn’t accord with my memory at all. Prince Phillip was the senior Royal most recently hospitalised, but I don’t recall anything like this happening. The Queen spent a night in hospital in 2021, but that wasn’t revealed until after she left, so clearly didn’t happen then.

Do you have any examples of this?

I agree, Serenster. There's a real 'mean girl' vibe on this thread which is determined to interpret the lack of hysteria about the PoW as antipathy. Honestly - what has this woman done to provoke it?

How weird and ominous would it be to have people creating shrines of flowers and (probably) soft toys outside the hospital for someone who's in for a planned procedure? It would creep me out! She hasn't been rushed to hospital after an accident. Thank goodness most people have just given her space and privacy.

To me, this points to her personal ambition rather than self sacrificing duty. I thnk she was hugely ambitious and was a woman of steel. I do nto condemn that by the way

What, exactly, was she ambitious about? seeing as HM was head of state, head of the church and head of the Commonweath and had been for 70 years, what exactly was left to have a huge ambition about?

However, if the country rather than the crown were her driving force then I think she would have handed over to Charles much sooner

Abdication crisis and its effects ring any bells?

I cannot think of a single vigil for any Royal

But if you mean turning up days in advance and camping on the pavement to claim your place on the routes for wedding, jubilee, funeral and coronation procession., then yes, there's always some who do that.

Yes, I think the Abdication Crisis must have been an important factor in ER II's thinking. Charles was already a de facto regent much of the time.

And I don't think she would ever have abdicated.

But I do think it was very likely that she would have retired, after requesting Parliament to install Charles formally as Prince Regent.

She would not have done this before the Platinum Jubilee celebrations, at the end of which she went immediately to Balmoral. If she had not died at the end of the summer, then I think there is a very good chance that a Regency would have been announced at the return of Parliament for the autumn sitting, at a final Queen's Speech (less likely, as Charles already delivering those, and I think she might want to have done it herself) or announcing her intention in the Christmas Message, with action completed in January.

The abdication crisis was more a crisis of the Royals having produced a wholly unsuitable person to be King, who would have handed the country over to Hitler. As result the establishment had tto strong arm a reluctant Wallis Simpson into taking him off all our hands, and into taking the flak for it fir all eternity.

Angrycat2768 · Today 12:23

The abdication crisis was more a crisis of the Royals having produced a wholly unsuitable person to be King, who would have handed the country over to Hitler. As result the establishment had tto strong arm a reluctant Wallis Simpson into taking him off all our hands, and into taking the flak for it fir all eternity.

Yes, and they (especially Wallis) was obliged to play out the romantic myth for ever. I don't think Wallis and I would have hit it off, but I feel sorry for that woman - she was stuck with the most boring, stupid, shallow man until death did them part.

I was reading the memoirs of Tommy Lascelles who was a chief courtier during the 30s. He despised the PoW (later Edward VIII) and recounted many very telling anecdotes about him. Once, while being shown around the gardens at Windsor, I think, a very proud member of the garden staff showed him the exceptionally abundant peach blossom in one of the glass houses - which had taken much skill and effort to produce, and which promised a record crop of fruit. Edward listened, clearly bored, and then ordered all the blossom to be cut and sent to Wallis's London flat/hotel. The gardener was devastated, and so was Lascelles and anyone else with half a brain who'd been present.

I hope she's doing well now that she's home. I did find it odd that her husband only visited her once. The children I understand, hospitals can be traumatic for little ones. If my DH only visited me only once when I was there for almost two weeks, he wouldn't be by DH anymore.

But do we know for definite he only visited her once ?