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Endgame Part 7

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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 26/01/2024 18:40

Continuing a civilised discussion, with a few laughs along the way, trying to stay within the topic, please. Thank you to all the lovely contributors who make this a pleasure and an education.

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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 28/01/2024 09:47

He was formerly the president for 6 years I think, and joined the board of directors last October (so after the complaint about the rangers was reported). Day to day operations will not involve him, but if you are on a board/a trustee, then you do need to have a handle on what’s happening on the ground and take responsibility when things are going wrong.

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User2356542 · 28/01/2024 09:50

mrsmingleton · 28/01/2024 09:40

@User2356542 I've just seen that clip. Meghan had to adjust her skirt about 5 times before she sat down. It did seem a bit of a squish. I was wondering why they weren't in the front row if invited guests? I can only imagine her thoughts at that point in time.

I guess the most logical answer is that they wanted to give them a better view of the film? Front row is usually terrible for actually watching the movie.

Serenster · 28/01/2024 11:54

Day to day operations will not involve him, but if you are on a board/a trustee, then you do need to have a handle on what’s happening on the ground and take responsibility when things are going wrong.

As illustrated by the ongoing Post Office scandal - the Senior Executives on the Board are expected to carry the can for things that go on in the organisation they lead.

https://www.ft.com/content/e1908730-4381-4222-ba61-5f8009bd4180

Government adviser calls for Post Office board to resign

Bonuses were paid to senior executives despite wrongful prosecutions in sub-postmaster scandal

https://www.ft.com/content/e1908730-4381-4222-ba61-5f8009bd4180

unbelieveable22 · 28/01/2024 12:08

From 6. MM was offered Sophie Wessex, Lady Susan Hussey and Nana Kofi Twumasi-Ankrah to help her with etiquette.

Susan Hussey the outed racist who resigned in disgrace in December 2022? The same Susan Hussey that Omid Scobie reported that William was furious with? Scobie obviously got that wrong as Susan was back in the family fold by the end of January 2023.
She joined Anne and Charles at a church service in January 2023. A few weeks later she represented Anne at a memorial service. She attended the coronation and accompanied the family to Ascot.
Nothing like a royal endorsement and support for racist behaviour in a very quick timeframe.

smilesy · 28/01/2024 12:12

User2356542 · 28/01/2024 09:50

I guess the most logical answer is that they wanted to give them a better view of the film? Front row is usually terrible for actually watching the movie.

What? I don’t think viewing pleasure is why people go to premieres 😆

Serenster · 28/01/2024 12:14

unbelieveable22 · 28/01/2024 12:08

From 6. MM was offered Sophie Wessex, Lady Susan Hussey and Nana Kofi Twumasi-Ankrah to help her with etiquette.

Susan Hussey the outed racist who resigned in disgrace in December 2022? The same Susan Hussey that Omid Scobie reported that William was furious with? Scobie obviously got that wrong as Susan was back in the family fold by the end of January 2023.
She joined Anne and Charles at a church service in January 2023. A few weeks later she represented Anne at a memorial service. She attended the coronation and accompanied the family to Ascot.
Nothing like a royal endorsement and support for racist behaviour in a very quick timeframe.

Yes, - the same Lady Susan Hussey about whom Prince Harry said after the same events: “Meghan and I love Susan Hussey. And I also know that what she meant – she never meant any harm at all”

StormzyinaTCup · 28/01/2024 12:24

A puff piece from 'Hello' Oct 23 which also featured in 'People' 'Tatler' and 'Town and Country' (their 'go to' publications) announcing his promotion

https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/506155/prince-harry-new-role-african-parks/

In a biography on the organisation's website, it says: "The Duke has dedicated his life’s work to advancing causes that he is passionate about, and that bring about permanent change for people and places."

"For over two decades, he has taken a deep personal interest in frontline conservation projects across Africa that work to protect the region's natural resources and wildlife, for the benefit of local communities."

Prince Harry's new role revealed and why it's so special

 The Duke of Sussex shares a close affinity with Africa

https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/506155/prince-harry-new-role-african-parks/

milveycrohn · 28/01/2024 12:32

Although I dislike Meghan, and find her normal fashion sense especially awful, I noticed that some of the others were 'over dressed' as well, so maybe in that context Meghan did OK.
If anything I thought the skirt overly long, but the casual top, I thought struck the right note.
In other words, much better than that ghastly red thing she wore once.

Mylovelygreendress · 28/01/2024 12:37

User2356542 · 28/01/2024 09:50

I guess the most logical answer is that they wanted to give them a better view of the film? Front row is usually terrible for actually watching the movie.

If reports are correct , the other VIPs were in a separate viewing room however there was no room for H and M as they were a late addition to the guest list .

Mylovelygreendress · 28/01/2024 12:38

milveycrohn · 28/01/2024 12:32

Although I dislike Meghan, and find her normal fashion sense especially awful, I noticed that some of the others were 'over dressed' as well, so maybe in that context Meghan did OK.
If anything I thought the skirt overly long, but the casual top, I thought struck the right note.
In other words, much better than that ghastly red thing she wore once.

I think a lot of her clothes are too long because they are borrowed and have to be returned so aren’t altered . Having said that , even when she was a working member of the RF , clothes often didn’t fit properly .

unbelieveable22 · 28/01/2024 12:58

Serenster · 28/01/2024 12:14

Yes, - the same Lady Susan Hussey about whom Prince Harry said after the same events: “Meghan and I love Susan Hussey. And I also know that what she meant – she never meant any harm at all”

He can say whatever he likes but it doesn't alter the facts. As you and others have said on here many times he should think more before he speaks at times.

Susan Hussey WAS rude and racist.
She WAS welcomed back into the family within a very short timeframe.
She IS participating in duties.

As we are into quotes William and Kate's spokesperson said ''The comments were unacceptable, and it is right that the individual has stepped aside with immediate effect.” That didn't last long.

Buckingham Palace said: “We take this incident extremely seriously and have investigated immediately to establish the full facts. In this instance, unacceptable and deeply regrettable comments have been made. We have reached out to Ngozi Fulani on this matter, and we are inviting her to discuss all elements of her experience in person if she wishes. In the meantime, the individual concerned would like to express her profound apologies for the hurt caused and has stepped aside from her honorary role with immediate effect.”
didn't last long either.

Like other aspects of their behaviour shallow and meaningless.

Serenster · 28/01/2024 13:09

Sorry unbelievable22, I’m a bit confused. Which of the parties who actually know the people involved in this and what went on are you saying you know better than?

ArcaneWireless · 28/01/2024 13:58

I’ve been asked the same ‘Susan’ question many a time. All through my life.

I choose to take offence at the racist comments which are said to me with venom or snark and I will certainly call it out then. The things I heard growing up in the 70s and 80s? Now that was racist and offensive.

Each to their own I suppose. I won’t take offence where none is meant and in the case above? I’d have kept repeating myself or had a little quiet word about it.

Is the question unacceptable? No. Repeated? Yes. Your first answer should suffice. Is it offensive? Not to me.

As I said each to their own.

If the individual concerned accepted the apology then all that is needed after that is not to do it again.

I’m sure H&M are far better placed to comment on her character and actual intent then any of us here.

thepressoutside · 28/01/2024 15:26

Serenster · 28/01/2024 13:09

Sorry unbelievable22, I’m a bit confused. Which of the parties who actually know the people involved in this and what went on are you saying you know better than?

Interesting question Serenster, and observations @unbelieveable22@unbelieveable22@unbelieveable22 (which were observable re: the rudeness and racism, and the quick acceptance back - I agree if Ms. Fulani felt that way then she would be in a better position to know).

But, does the question only apply to Harry's comments about Hussey, or would it not also apply to all of his comments about everyone else (including in Spare and his documentary)?

"I’m sure H&M are far better placed to comment on her character and actual intent then any of us here."

I figure if that's the case, if his words are taken as fact and truth with Hussey, then they must also be taken as fact/a knowing that we don't have with respect to what he's said about everyone else's intention and character including William, Kate, Charles, Camilla, the Men in Grey, etc.?

thepressoutside · 28/01/2024 15:28

Also, is there any evidence that Meghan was offered Husey, Sophie? This just seems like tabloid gossip but is repeated as a fact?

ArcaneWireless · 28/01/2024 16:19

I don’t take the words of some as fact, given that recollections seem to have varied.

That said, at least they’ve met SH. I haven’t. And I suspect most haven’t on here.

I don’t know her from an egg.

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 28/01/2024 16:23

@ArcaneWireless same here. Funnily enough, the main people who won’t accept my first answer these days are the ones with the same skin colour as me. I have to give them chapter and verse about where my parents are from. I don’t take offence at curiosity or genuine interest in my heritage. I also don’t give away my power - my sense of who I am and pride in what I have done - by deciding to find a micro aggression in every interaction in life that doesn’t wholly go my way or doesn’t meet my expectations. I also don’t let fear stop me from anything I want to do. The vast majority of people, I have found in my 50 + years, are decent. Those of us who had 70s/80s childhoods and experienced genuinely scary racism, together with seeing what our parents went through, and appreciating what they went through to give us a different life, seem to be far more resilient and far more realistic about what normal human interaction might entail.

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JaneJeffer · 28/01/2024 17:14

I don't think Lady Susan Hussey meant any offence. I agree with @ArcaneWireless that she should have accepted the first answer and moved on. However she did apologise as soon as she realised that her questions had hurt Ngozi Fulani.

Again, I'm coming from a country with completely different etiquette where people will ask questions in order to establish a connection with someone but it can be misunderstood by people who aren't used to it!

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 28/01/2024 17:17

I don’t think anyone needs to tie themselves in knots over Susan Hussey. Ngozi Fulani has every right to find her experience with her unpleasant. Not all people of colour have the same experience or attitude towards an interaction. Some racism is objective, some of it is subjective, some is deliberate and blatant, some is thoughtless. Some people on the receiving end would roll their eyes over it, some would forgive an elderly woman as having a generational attitude that is out of touch but ultimately harmless, some would seek accountability and an apology. Some people wouldn’t have a problem with the “where are you really from” conversation - as I said before, I get this from other people of my own race all the time.

There is zero evidence to suggest that Susan Hussey was guilty of any offensive behaviour or offended anyone prior to the incident with Ngozi Fulani. At the time she was made available to Meghan, she had an unblemished record.

Harry stated in his Tom Bradby interview that the RF was not racist but that unconscious bias was present that needed to be dealt with so that it didn’t escalate into racism. Shortly thereafter came the encounter between Hussey and Fulani. Swift action was taken by William, in the form of Hussey’s dismissal. H&M’s response to this was an expression of their love for Hussey and a declaration that they are sure she meant no harm. They undermined both William and Ms Fulani with these words. We have no way of knowing if they said this truthfully or to undermine their hated brother/brother in law.

Nevertheless, if we take their words as true, all that proves is that, in their interactions with Hussey, and theirs alone, she was never anything other than lovely. And thus, as a potential mentor to MM, there is no reason to doubt that this extremely experienced woman would have been anything other than professional, supportive and helpful to them. There is no need to extrapolate anything else from their words, or decide that if they are truthful once, everything they say is truthful.

I don’t know what is the original source of SH being offered up to MM, but it is written about in Tina Brown’s Palace Papers, who says some fairly ageist and unpleasantly racist things about her/Meghan, as apparently an old, white woman had nothing to offer a thirty something, mixed race woman (apart from many years of insider experience I suppose - and presumably a thirty something mixed race woman can’t/won’t learn from an old white woman in converse).

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ArcaneWireless · 28/01/2024 17:22

A thoughtful post @Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar

I am slightly different in that my heritage is largely unknown. We have our suspicions on the paternal side (backed up slightly) and a maternal long told but vague rumour/secret way back in the day that would explain an awful lot if there is truth in it.

All I was aware of is that I, together with my siblings, were very noticeably different.

Due to ignorance, and seemingly an acceptance to be ok with throwing racist terms at kids, my childhood was at best interesting. I think the most polite term was ‘exotic’….

I feel what I feel with my experiences of racism. Everyone is entitled to feel how they feel with their experiences too.

But like you I think, my life would have been so much littler if I’d taken offence at absolutely everything. It will never ever feel as bad as it did back then.

And like you Jane this is an area where folk are fairly direct and nosy! I too believe when folk ask questions, it is to establish a connection. And more often than not, there will be something or someone that links us.

It is a little world.

ajandjjmum · 28/01/2024 17:23

I think William's reaction was wrong, but driven by the fact that he was about to get on a flight to Boston for the Earthshot presentation, and didn't want something he was working on - and was important to him and others - to be overshadowed.

Meetings were arranged between the two women where - according to Hardman - many cups of tea were drunk and many tears shed. So it all ended peacefully.

ArcaneWireless · 28/01/2024 17:39
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@JaneJeffer

I’ll remember in a bit when my brain finds itself again.

There is something awfully familiar 🤔 and I can see it but can’t quite put my finger on’t.

and pivot!!!!!! 😁

Thunderbird7 · 28/01/2024 20:47

I wish Ngozi Fulani had not named the staff member involved. They are a staff member and not a public figure after all. If she had said “a member of staff” it would have had the same impact and protected the individual from a global blowback they were not prepared for. Ultimately staff training including on inclusion and diversity lies with the employer. Even if the individual really was an unrepentant racist, the employer is still responsible for employing them in the first place and has a duty of care. The buck has to stop with HMTQ and heads of households. They do not habitually throw staff under the bus but in this case because she was named, there wasn’t much choice.

StartupRepair · 28/01/2024 21:44

The potential scandal with the wildlife charity and the muddled optics around the film premiere just underline how Harry was always being quietly managed by the Palace before he quit. Seeing him blundering about with obvious confusion about his role and purpose in the world shows he is not being advised or is not taking that advice.

Slumberlands · 29/01/2024 05:12

Honestly why can't they use some common sense and just get on with their lives without being managed by PR firms and lots of staff? The rest of us get on with our lives without these things. They aren't working Royals now they are just people. They need to get proper jobs and work instead of making their lives about attending premieres and faux award ceremonies. They have no real role or purpose in life, they're an embarrassment to themselves.