Queen's fury over naming of baby Lilibet: Aide says monarch was 'as angry as I'd ever seen her' after Harry and Meghan claim

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12962667/queen-elizabeth-II-fury-prince-harry-meghan-markle-baby-lilibet.html

I'm not surprised, choosing that name was so brazen

They probably thought this waa what he was doing, but they're so blind to interpretation that they didn't unedrstand that is not how it would be interpretated based on the signficant and personal nature of the name and their recent behaviour towards her.

Lilibet Stern's real name is Elizabeth though. She was no doubt aware of the Queen's nickname and it seems decided, at some point, to use it as a stage name.

I don't think there's any doubt that the name "Lilibet", if indeed it is now deemed to be a name in its own right, originated with Queen Elizabeth II.

It's perfectly possible (even likely) that other little Elizabeths made similar (or even identical) errors in pronunciation of their name as toddlers, of course. But Queen Elizabeth made it famous.

If they'd called their baby Elizabeth, that would have been totally fine. But to appropriate a deeply personal nickname, to make some kind of point, seems like a betrayal of both the Queen and their daughter.
I think she should have had her own name and not been landed with two such loaded names.

Why would you find that odd? The two biggest female forces in Harry and William’s lives; they’re mother and grandmother… and then William used both names for his daughter leaving Harry with none? No. It just means you end up with similar names. Nothing odd about it.

It's ridiculous that the late Queen was angry about this.

Ridiculous that someone would be angry that their grandson publicly put words in their mouth that were never said?

People go apoplectic here if someone suggests they said something they did not say, even if it's a simple misunderstanding. I would think it would be quite a bit more important when it was the Queen's words being fabricated.

There are wars happening. Cost of living crisis. Climate emergency. We’ve just attacked Yemen. We are in the most unstable period of time since the last WW. But let’s focus on this one couple that have zero impact on our lives whatsoever

Ryan Gosling’s facial expression at the award ceremony has no impact on my life either, but I’m not cross that it’s being reported (along with all the other things).

You replied to Maireas
Maireas · Today 17:46

Lilibet was used before it was a personal nickname for the late Queen? Really?.*

TheOnlyOneInTheMNVillage · Today 17:48
Yes. There is a famous American woman called Lilibet who was born several decades ago.

The famous American woman was irrelevant as she wasn't called Lilibet before the Queen even though you pointed out she was born several decades ago. Several decades after the Queen was born.

I made a mistake, I originally wrote that she was before the Queen.

But hopefully your little piss take makes it all even. My point was that other people were called Lilibet, I messed up the timelines.

Yup, as I said I made a mistake. More than happy to admit that.

But my point was that other people have been called Lilibet. Thats literally all.

It just seems to be such an odd way to cement your connection - to choose your beloved grandmother’s very personal pet name literally four months after blowing up your relationship with your family with Oprah?
Like a PP I feel a bit sorry for Lilibet with all that name baggage, and the Princess title on top.

One Queen, one woman born in 1965. Whose real name was Elizabeth, and probably used the nickname because of knowledge of the Queen. Who else?

TheOnlyOneInTheMNVillage

Don't fret* *
We all love a little piss take 😃

Whatever the name that is one beautiful child.

Agreed!

Exactly
I don't think The Palace can possibly have influenced the timing of the publication of the book or the publicity which went with that. It'll have been arranged weeks/months in advance, and it wouldn't have been known then whether US info would have been unsealed, nor when.

So the idea that Palace PR somehow did this to detract from that seems fanciful

Teddy
Buddy
Cody
Katie
Alfie
Poppy
Lexi
Millie

Etc.

Plenty of widely used names don't pass the snobbish MN barrister test, or, as some posters put it "are not suitable for an adult". LOL.

Lilibet has the advantage of being slightly unusual. Not sure why you have decided it is categorically not a name?

I can’t help think that if William and Kate had used it, everyone would think it was wonderful.

Don't say that! You'll get into trouble for not googling!

I must admit that it was nothing unusual for Harry to want to include his mothers name in his daughter's name.

I really think if they'd just chosen Elizabeth Diana no one much would have had anything to say.

It's just the deeply personal aspect of using a (unique ish) nick name - which implies closeness and good relations with the owner - which wrankles under the circs.

Then I must come from a most impolite family...

This. Always thought it was a tacky move. Presumably Philip was the last person alive who had called her that and he had very recently died. Just makes me cringe a bit. I'm sure the Queen was a bit bemused.

Anyway as many people have said we don't know how she felt about it. The report is how she felt about them briefing to the press. So they must have known it was an interesting choice and people would talk about it.

Anyway- yawn- I'm glad they have gone to ground and are hopefully just enjoying life in California now without any more of this. I do actually admire how Harry has taken on the press for phone hacking as a side note.

I do not think that any thought has been paid to the wee girl at all. Point scoring, really poor behaviour.

I wonder if Lilibet will change her name as she gets older as it is so distinctive that it will be quite hard for her if she wants to have a fairly normal time at college/work etc.

It is interesting the narrative on here and used to be in the press that Harry was a favourite of the Queen - always so odd to me as just so unkind to her many other grandchildren.

Playing Devil’s Advocate here but I think Harry never saw the feud with his family as permanent so using Lilibet wasn’t a big deal. Many girls in the family have Elizabeth amongst their names and I’m not remotely surprised that the name Diana was included as a middle name. Using a different form of Elizabeth is his way of being different from his father (although Lili would have been a more sensitive choice at the time)

I have no evidence that Harry doesn’t see the feud as permanent. Just a theory as a person watching from the sidelines and getting the impression that his dad would have him back in the UK in a heartbeat (if Harry wanted of course)

I am sceptical of how angry she allegedly was- the person in the job can’t have worked there long. She’s had some much bigger incidents to deal with in her life than Harry going to the press about a conversation with her

It is a name in its own right if you look at the BMDs on Ancestry there are Lilibets and Lilibeths, so not unique to the late Queen.