Queen's fury over naming of baby Lilibet: Aide says monarch was 'as angry as I'd ever seen her' after Harry and Meghan claim

[royalwatcherr]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12962667/queen-elizabeth-II-fury-prince-harry-meghan-markle-baby-lilibet.html

I'm not surprised, choosing that name was so brazen

That's not what i'd call either of the parasitic twats

I guess all the anger issues in that family are inherited from the queen. Imagine being furious about a grand child's name.

To be honest I can’t help thinking it’s any excuse to have a pop and if this William and Catherine who’d used the name it’d be called a lovely idea and nod to the Queen.

She wasn't. It's explained in the article and up thread.

They did ask her. BBC had to put out a corrective statement after reporting that they never asked HM. Harry was furious and threatened to sue them for slander for spreading misinformation. They put out a corrective statement, with an apology.

Yep.

Sure, but you will agree that YOUR situation is the outlier, more than the norm, yes?
What we are talking about here is not your very specific situation (lovely as it might be), but really how Harry wasnt on "lillibet" terms with his grandmother. Which is not surprising, because most grandkids are not on nickname terms with their grandmas, unless it is something like Nanny, Nan, Granny, or any variation thereof.

As a general rule, that is. And in this respect, I would think that the royal family would be evern more traditional than most.

I’m staggered by the repeated poor reading comprehension. Posters saying they think less of the Queen for being angry over the name? The article doesn’t say that!!!

She was angry that they reported a private conversation to the press. That’s what the article says. The OP didn’t understand that and apparently, most of the population can’t read either.

If you care enough to have any thoughts about the Queen then it’s ridiculous to change that opinion because she didn’t like yet another private conversation being made public.

Charlotte is Pippa’s middle name . Elizabeth is the middle name of both Catherine and her mother so a link .

H and M claimed the Queen was “ supportive” which I always thought was a strange word to use in that context

Yes, and when the BBC refuted this - very possibly on the palace's instructions - H&M reportedly threatened to sue unless they backed down
The BBC didn't back down and AFAIK they were never sued for their article, so make of that what you will

Comprehension on MN is as good as ever

I know, @Itslegitimatesalvage - it's very strange.

Or what @Itslegitimatesalvage said

I don’t think the “nobody owns a name” arguments works very well in this context.

If they’d named her Elizabeth or Lily or even Diana then fair enough, but actually “Lilibet” isn't really a name in its own right as it is so specific to the queen and her closest family. It’s about as close to “owning” a name as you can get.

I’ve always thought it was a really strange move from H+M and if I were the queen I would have been pretty annoyed!

Wow, sounds like a really toxic grandparent doesn't it. Who would have ever expected your old nana would be furious over their grandchild naming their baby after them.

Charlotte is Pippa’s middle name and also comes from the same family of names as Carole. (And is also the feminine version of Charles.)

Elizabeth is Kate’s middle name and also Carole’s middle name. (And the Queen’s name.)

Diana - that is all William’s side.

Slightly shameful that I know all this but in my defence I have a very similar taste in names to the Middleton’s so needed to make sure I wasn’t using their exact names in case I looked like a crazed fan!

The whole of the RF are parasitic twats though.

I presume they thought it was a cute name, they seem to like the fashion for cutsie names.

And I presume they thought it would look like a loving tribute to the queen.

But to many people it looks like a thoughtless crass move of using something deeply personal to an old lady, who your relationship is strained with, and where the only people ever close enough to use the pet childhodd name have all died.

The fact so many peopl winced and thought how crass and unkind, I'm sure wasn't their intention. I'm sure they thought eveyone whould think, how sweet and how especially close to the Queen they must be.

It's just another example of their extraordinary inability to understand how they come across or how their behaviour will be interpreted.
It's quite staggering how they just get everything so wrong.

She wasn't. Read the article.

yeah that's what I think. I think it's going to hard to go through life with so much of the family history and baggage and to saddle the kid with such an emotive name (and ignoring Doria's name) could be problematic.

Mind you, our Dcs are both named after family. But we haven't fallen out with them. (yet- possibly!)

I don't believe QE2 was angry but I also don't believe she knew or consented.
I do believe it was an attention seeking move on the part of the Sussexes.
Its a nickname. As an actual name its awful.

I just googled and couldn't find anything so do you have a link for that please?

I honestly wasn't aware that the BBC had issued a correction/apologised, but am very ready to learn

I’m not aware it is weird to be honest, I call one of my own grandparents a different version of his name too.

People come up with all sorts of weird and wonderful names for their grandparents, especially today when grandma etc is seen as a bit stuffy.

Call a grandparents Nanny vs calling them Queenie or Glammie or a cute version of their name is all the same. It’s the name the child grows up with, they don’t know it’s not traditional and it doesn’t change how they view their grandparents, to them it’s just their name. As in, they don’t see it as a nickname, it’s just their name. Or to be honest, all grand parental names are nicknames.

I must admit that I was absolutely stunned when I heard they'd called their daughter Lillibet. It's not a name suitable for an adult (which she will very soon be), it's a cute little childish nickname born out of a toddler's inability to pronounce "Elizabeth". It's like a child saying "Huppy" when they're trying to say Humphrey or "Lillalella" for Isobella.

I thought their use of that very personal family nickname as a given name was quite bizarre. To me it's as if they'd called her "loopyloo" or "nappypoo" or any other little personal family-only nickname!

I think by this point Harry had decided on his strategy of all out war on the press and that he is going to correct every falsehood they perpetrate. Hence the legal letters over this.

The Royal Family have never done this, they never correct anything, never respond or explain (one of the things Harry has always been enraged about) and so she didn’t like it as it’s not the done thing.

A clash of approaches, of generations, I think.