Queen's fury over naming of baby Lilibet: Aide says monarch was 'as angry as I'd ever seen her' after Harry and Meghan claim

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12962667/queen-elizabeth-II-fury-prince-harry-meghan-markle-baby-lilibet.html

I'm not surprised, choosing that name was so brazen

Sorry that is so rude. You don't know me. It doesn' t matter if its the Queen or my Great Aunt Mavis. Its a personal message.

It was another post which mentioned the palace leaking this story and is what H&M have said in the past.

If you want to talk about faux concern. All the people on this thread pretending they care about Lillibet being traumatised about her name and how terrible her life. No one gives a shit about this innocent 2 year old, you're using her to have yet another go at Harry and Meghan.

This is only a story because Harry and Meghan made it a story at the time by assuring everyone they had the Queen’s blessing. If they’d stayed silent, which is often the best PR move, then it wouldn’t be a big thing.

They can, of course, call their child whatever they like. However, if this was a thread on AIBU (We’ve chosen my elderly grandmother’s personal pet nickname, used only my her deceased husband and parents, as our baby name and she is upset. AIBU) and then there was a massive drip feed about a family falling out, I expect the OP would get roundly roasted for being a dick.

If people took off their ‘I hate the royals’ goggles and looked at it as falling out between any average family then it does look shitty on the part of Harry and Meghan. If they put an elderly lady in that position then no wonder she was upset.

It's back under the spotlight because there is a new book out and the press are serialising excerpts (pretty normal sort of deal by the publishers)

It is news because the Palace are trying desperately to steer everyone away from allegations that Prince Andrew took part in an orgy with children.
Best way is to try and get people fighting about Harry and Meghan again.

Those children, probably poor neglected girls, do not matter to most people. That is the reality.

"The couple subsequently fired off warnings of legal action against anyone who dared to suggest otherwise, as the BBC had done. However, when the Sussexes tried to co-opt the Palace into propping up their version of events, they were rebuffed.”
I think this is key factor in the whole debacle

I mentioned that earlier in the thread, @Derxa, and then saw it had been claimed the BBC issued a retraction/apology

You've just reminded me that I'm still waiting for a link to that - am keeping an open mind on it for now, but can't help wondering if it was just made up

This just goes to show that you are dazzled by material possessions as opposed to the reality of life. The Queen didn't own these things.

and in the reverse all the people who are offended on behalf of H and M.

Yes I can see why she might have seen it like that, on second thoughts. The nickname was something intangible that made her a 'normal' little girl, and a memory of her parents. In a life where she was a symbolic figurehead, it must have been important.

Oh my golly gosh you are reaching now aren't you?

If you want to talk about faux concern. All the people on this thread pretending they care about Lillibet being traumatised about her name and how terrible her life. No one gives a shit about this innocent 2 year old, you're using her to have yet another go at Harry and Meghan.

Exactly, Rockybooboo.

Also, not that it matters but although a very rare name, Lilibet was not unique to the Queen. There’s an American writer and Director by that name. At least One of her documentaries has been shown at Sundance Film Festival. See: Lilibet Foster (if you can be bothered).

The late Queen did not own the name but she did own an extraordinary stable of thoroughbred racehorses (and that’s just one thing). To say the Queen owned nothing is laughable, and I don’t believe she would have said any such thing. And she loved her racehorses, races and breeding. It was a passionate interest for which she most definitely took time out, time apart from her duties as queen.

But this recycling of old news is proving very effective at deflecting from Andrew and Epstein.

The world has not been short of things for the past 70 years called Elizabeth. Elizabeth would have been fine. Or just Lili.

I think it’s an amalgamation of things: the fact they used such a personal derivative shortly after the last person who got to call her that had died, the presumptiveness - they thought QE2 would be so bowled over with gratitude that asking her about such a personal nickname was a formality, the fact they were not on good terms, the one-upmanship of it all (all royal grandchildren that have had daughters have used the name Elizabeth as a middle name), the fact it assumed an intimacy that M&H never had, the opportunism (theirs and Lilibet’s future commercial interests), the fact they immediately announced with it another name she’d go by indicating they didn’t even like the name, and also the fact that as the Queen she has to keep an eye on succession (Queen Lilibet I?!). Even if it was intended well, QE2 would have preferred them not degrading and humiliating her life’s work over some empty grand gesture.

She clearly didn’t feel comfortable about it but as their grandmother had to keep her lips sealed, so when H&M not only did something totally lacking in sensitivity and then asked her to go on the record and pretend she was dancing with joy… I’m not surprised she wasn’t pleased.

The BBC report from June 2021 is still on the website.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57408163.amp

I have not expressed any concern about their children, faux or otherwise, because I don’t have any. So talk to the posters who have, not at me. My only interest is in the words and conduct of their parents.

This is only a story because Harry and Meghan made it a story at the time by assuring everyone they had the Queen’s blessing. If they’d stayed silent, which is often the best PR move, then it wouldn’t be a big thing.

@Ratsoffasinkingsauage exactly!

For all those offended by the Mail link, here's the Telegraph's version.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2024/01/14/late-queen-infuriated-harry-meghan-lilibet-claim

I agree with the 'most liked' comment:

I think Queen Elizabeth had very little that was truly her own. " Lilibet " as a nickname was . It used by those who loved her the most . It was extremely arrogant and insensitive of Harry and his wife to use it.

This grandson named his baby girl by his grandmother’s close family Pet Name which she had, on the death of her husband, specifically requested - or was it decreed, for it not to be used ever again.
The grandmother was the Monarch. How can Royalty be taken out of the issue?
Flattered, no. Vexed, undoubtedly, as many of us were.

I never claimed they didn’t!
But H and M are just as bad , in fact worse .

I don't see how that's possible. The book's publication dates would have been settled well in advance (and ditto for contracts for serialising extracts), and there's no way at that stage anyone could have known when US courts would reach decision on unsealing.

This was going to happen irrespective of anything else going on with any other royal. Both the publication and the (very typical) arrangements for serialisation (v normal book PR by publishing houses)

Why an issue - because H&M threatened to sue before, but did not decide to bring a case. And here it is being published (in slightly different form) and the assumption is that the book will have been checked by lawyers beforehand. Which in turn leads to a presumption that they believe they are on a sound footing in going ahead and publishing.

It's the drawback of bringing/stating you will bring a suit. When you don't, inferences are drawn and likely to be negative.

If they had called her Elizabeth that would have been fine . Other grandchildren have that as a middle name .
One of my DGDs has my first name as a middle name and I was thrilled and honoured. However DH and a couple of other people close to me call me a nickname and I don’t think I would have been so thrilled had DD used that ( she wouldn’t dream of doing that!)

I don't think the BBC can have done either, as the article (June 2021) is still there

Harry and Meghan did not ask Queen to use Lilibet name - Palace source - BBC News

The poster is either Ill informed or made it up as it suited their narrative, the BBC neither retracted or issued an apology, it was Harry and Megan who dropped their threats and retreated. The bbc is still making the claim and standing by it.

Do you HONESTLY think 72 MPs would've signed a letter about the racism Meghan received in the media if there weren't any???

Why not look into it instead of asking posters to prove this fact

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/10/mp-behind-meghan-letter-calls-for-action-on-press-bullying

If you want to talk about faux concern. All the people on this thread pretending they care about Lillibet being traumatised about her name and how terrible her life. No one gives a shit about this innocent 2 year old, you're using her to have yet another go at Harry and Meghan.

This. You just want to denigrate H&M and are pretending to care

That pesky Yank coming over here and giving her daughter a name she hasn't earned the right to do. More insanity. Celia Walden (wife of Piers Morgan) has spoken. It's all the woman's fault.
'mothers tend to have more sway than fathers when it comes to choosing baby names'
I think we can all agree that ''Lillibet'' had Meghan stamped all over it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/01/15/harry-and-meghan-lilibet-nickname-queen/
Meghan still not accepted.

Naming your child after your grandmother in law with whom relations are strained is really quite odd though isn't it...

Yes she did. Two castles. Privately owned. Racehorses and an unimaginable jewellery collection. Not Royal estates obviously. But huge wealth tied up.

Charles has sold off a lot of the racehorses