Queen's fury over naming of baby Lilibet: Aide says monarch was 'as angry as I'd ever seen her' after Harry and Meghan claim

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12962667/queen-elizabeth-II-fury-prince-harry-meghan-markle-baby-lilibet.html

I'm not surprised, choosing that name was so brazen

I agree . The late Queen was close to Angela Kelly and Sir Edward Young to name but 2 .
My own view for what it’s worth is that the RF have given tacit agreement to Robert Hardman to report these matters as a way of responding to some of H and M’s claims and accusations .
I look forward to reading the book .

whose life we’ve made a living hell

Oh come on!

Summed it up perfectly.

This is a child - and what a terrible burden to have a name that is linked to so much negativity and sadness. A broken family that never managed any kind of reconciliation - even in the last hours. I think it is very very sad.

No fan of M&H. But if the late Queen really said 'they've taken the only thing I own', then I wonder where two castles, umpteen stately homes, priceless jewels, tiaras, land, racehorses, millions of pounds in assets, and the kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland come in?

It will be interesting to hear what Harry and Meghan will say about the issue.

It sounds so dramatic, I mean didn't she own a bunch of corgis, a herd of racehorses and a Hermes store worth of scarves.

Anyway, I don't believe she said that at all, and I don't think it is in Hartman's book, its just the DM jumping on the bandwagon.

Absolutely. It was a cherished, childhood nickname and they used it and publicised it for their own profit.

This thread is hilarious people getting offended on behalf of the late Queen who they don't know and never met and probably didn't care what Harry and Meghan called their daughter she might have even been delighted who knows
These hate filled threads get more and more ridiculous 😂😂

I believe she also owned Regent Street and all of Scotland's gold that is still in the ground. And most of the coastline. I know the 'ownership' is symbolic but still a ridiculous statement if she did in fact make it. It sounds quite petulant and strangely at odds with the way she was always presented.

I doubt very much that she said that. She was well aware that she was a wealthy woman! I wonder if she just meant that it was something personal to her, in that much of her life was shared.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/harry-meghan-lilibet-robert-hardman-king-biography-b2478702.html
"The couple subsequently fired off warnings of legal action against anyone who dared to suggest otherwise, as the BBC had done. However, when the Sussexes tried to co-opt the Palace into propping up their version of events, they were rebuffed.”
I think this is key factor in the whole debacle.

And @derxa , the BBC refused to back down .
There were no further tantrums from H and M.

@Maireas yes and this was shortly after her husband died so I imagine she was feeling an enormous sense of loss in general

I also agree, it does indicate this is bullet proof, and there is ultimately likely to be no legal action.

Exactly! She will be a child for only another 16 years at the most. That's no time at all! She'll then have to spend another 70+ years as an adult with another person's nickname as her given name.

I think that's what made using the name Lillibet so particularly insensitive. It was a term of endearment used by Prince Phillip, amongst others, and he had only just passed away. Her grief was still raw. Also, that nickname is one of the few things the Queen had which was exclusively hers. She may have been one of the richest and most famous women in the world but so much of what she had, jewels, title, castles etc belonged to the crown not her. The way in which the Sussexes appeared to have handled the matter is just so rude and arrogant. I'm glad the palace didn't back them up.

I think ‘only thing I own’ does come across as crass given her personal wealth (we shouldn’t count wealth attached to the crown in this context). But I suspect she meant something about herself that she did not feel she needed to make available as part of her duty as Queen. Something she could keep to herself. Something that couldn’t be bought.

That was my reading of it, @SaffronSpice . Something that couldn't be bought or sold..

Spot on Saffron. She was fabulously wealthy and privileged but she gave everything to her role - she couldn't even allow her children to take their father's family name.

Yes because her whole life has been one or duty and service. The nickname was so special because it was hers, it was carefree. I feel very sad it was taken without permission. Informing someone is not the same as asking permission.

I think it was abundantly clear that the queen didn’t like Harry and Megan’s behaviour, from the infamous recollections may vary to her statement on them leaving saying it was her families hope they’d basically settle down, as well as the fact she clearly said no to many of their requests, inc the half in half out.

I can only imagine how horrified she must have been when she saw Harry at the Africa tour, where he was representing her, use that as his platform to make a statement about him suing the press, and their petulant behaviour on that tour,

so I think using her personal nickname, then lying about asking her permission, might have been something that seriously pissed her off.

The Queen gave everything to her role? And the name was the only thing that was hers?
I think this is ridiculous hyperbole, she wasn't working down a coalmine. She had quite a private life (for a famous person) of immense privilege.

I don't think taking the support of the RF pr is an iron clad way of assessing whether the claim she supported the name was true or not, they offered zero support to H+M in the early days when there was overt racism and threats.

She left a note on Phillip’s coffin from Lilibet.

There is no way on earth that, if there had been some heartwarming conversation between Harry and his grandmother, where she gave her blessing to use the nickname last used by her beloved mum, sister and recently deceased husband, that he would have chosen to leave it out of Spare. He would absolutely have included the event. He did not.

Harry has already publicly retracted the racism claim. Keep up.

The damage is done re the racism claims. Too little too late. Poor William that day having to say the royal family was very much not a racist family. Unforgivable.