Queen's fury over naming of baby Lilibet: Aide says monarch was 'as angry as I'd ever seen her' after Harry and Meghan claim

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12962667/queen-elizabeth-II-fury-prince-harry-meghan-markle-baby-lilibet.html

I'm not surprised, choosing that name was so brazen

Maybe Lillibet will become top baby name 2024.

The Daily Mail could tell you it was Monday and people would think themselves sophisticated for not believing it. They have pretty much run a Prince Andrew story every day. It’s not a conspiracy.

It really doesn’t matter now as the original Lilibet is dead.

That said, if they asked permission or ran it by her and she was in agreement then happy days.

If she wasn’t, then it wouldn’t have been the actions of someone who loved her and respected her wishes.

Like most other things, we have only heard things from one horse’s mouth I think. Open minds needed all round.

As for rumours? A lot more of the things floating about on the internet are far more contentious, deeply unpalatable and could be true or not or a mixture. I suspect they will not be discussed on here.

You need disinfectant and a scrubbing brush to float you out of those rabbit holes.

In all the interviews, H&M said the Queen was lovely and the Queen said that they were still much loved members of the Royal family during one of her speeches so I thinks it's wrong to say they were estranged. They were at The Jubilee celebration so I think genuinely wanted to honour her. Now if they had used the name Camilla, I would accuse of shot stirring.

The Queen didn't seem the type to get furious although I might be projecting my lovely Grandma.

Isn't Robert Hardman himself betraying the Queen by including this in his book. It's not even about Charles. I think he's put It in the book purely as a publicity stunt for his book.

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Isn't Robert Hardman himself betraying the Queen by including this in his book. It's not even about Charles. I think he's put It in the book purely as a publicity stunt for his book.

Shhh, you're not meant to notice things like that!

You're absolutely right, @ArcaneWireless of course, although as I understand it, this is less about the choice of name than the Sussexes decision to sue the BBC about the whole malarkey, which is allegedly what upset Big Lilibet.

Er did you read the post I was replying to....?

Load of shit made up by the press. They need to get over Harry and Meghan and move on. It’s so fucking tedious seeing these petty shit stirring stories all the time.

The issue of whether they had the Queen's blessing or not about the name was always going to follow them round one way or another though, wasn't it? Whether they mentioned it to the Press or not? What were they actually supposed to say if a journalist asked them "What a lovely name, a nice nod to your Grandmother. Was she pleased?" or "A nice tribute to your Grandmother. Did you ask her if she minded you using it?" etc etc

How would you have them answer such a question? "We'd rather not say" or "that was a private conversation" would have immediately had the DM and the like announcing front page news that "New baby named after the Queen but it's unclear if she gave permission" and can you imagine the rumours (especially on here) then?

None of us knows exactly how the conversation went, all the nuances, the tones of voice, the vocabulary used, how each party understood the other. Neither do any journalists. It's all speculation about reported happenings and interpretations of events. Ridiculous frothing. For all anyone knows, Harry asked his grandmother what she wanted them to say to the Press if they asked about it and she told them "Just say I'm supportive."

Ah. Got ye. Thank you maireas

Nobody owns a name. Not even the Queen 🤷

no

no

2 years

Like Spare then and Harry?

no

yeah but your Granny ain't the Queen

I was named after my dad’s Aunt Lily, but was given her full name Elizabeth (middle name). It seems a little odd (to me anyway) to use a nickname or the shortened version of a name when you are naming your baby after a person, even if it’s used on a daily basis. Lilibet wasn’t even used openly, often or by many.
I wonder if they thought of using Diana’s childhood nickname instead of Diana which was apparently “Duch”?! I doubt it.
I don’t think for a moment that they gave their daughter this name with any bad intentions though and they had every right to name her as they wished. I agree that Doria should have been included but again that’s just my opinion and means nothing!
Mainly, it’s a shame that this is all over the press when there are so many other things going on that need the coverage. The media need to get a grip and move on from M&H for sure. I agree with that too.

This is being rolled out to distract attention from rapist Prince Andrew.

Lili always makes me think of Lillie Langtry the mistress of the POW later King Edward VII.

It seems from what i had read, that Harry spoke to the Queen by telephone and 'expressed the wish' of naming their daughter Lilibet. The Queen was probably caught off guard and couldn't say no.
So Harry said that they had permission, because they weren't told no, but the Queen and the palace would not back them up in this statement when the press were on their backs about it because she hadn't expressly said yes.
Poor Lilibet growing up reading that her great gran begrudged her sharing her name 😀

I wouldn't want to defer to those two to either.

Haven't you seen that H and M have trademarked it?

Yawn. Can't see the Queen getting too worked up about this.

Whether you agree or not , it’s Royal protocol.