Prince Harry to receive a Living Legend of Aviation award

[mrsmingleton]

https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/510988/prince-harry-ordered-huge-new-honour-star-studded-ceremony/

The Wright Brothers will be turning in their graves. I wonder what Buzz thinks .

😂

How embarrassing for him. Does he actually believe he's in the same league as Buzz Aldrin? He must need attention like the rest of us need air.

I think this Harry is a better aviator. 😊

It's quite extraordinary, isn't it? Although, have you read "Spare"? The man seems to have no self awareness at all.

I don’t. It’s not really a convention. Charles himself didn’t get it at birth. It was just decided with no thought to public opinion, just wha5 his dad and he wanted. It’s bollocks.

@Maireas you have to assume that Meghan is gung ho in her support of him and will be there as his cheerleader pushing him onto the stage . I wonder if he will add it onto his out of date website where he still lists all the titles that he had to give up.

"A decision has now been made after conversations between The Duke of Sussex and Members of The Royal Family.
The military, Commonwealth and Charitable associations which will revert to The Queen are:
The Royal Marines, RAF Honington, Royal Navy Small Ships and Diving.
The Queen's Commonwealth Trust, The Rugby Football Union, The Rugby Football League, The Royal National Theatre and The Association of Commonwealth Universities."

It will be interesting to hear how any acceptance speech goes.

If he makes a short low key speech making it clear he's accepting the award as recognition of charitable works that's one thing, if OTOH he starts making out it's being given for anything aviation related then I'd agree with @Maireas that "The man seems to have no self awareness at all."

Be fun to see the seating plan for the evening.....I suspect there won't be many in the room that will be impressed by his war stories.

Totally off topic so apologies but I found out Buzz Aldrin's mothers maiden name recently.

Moon.

True thing.

@AliceOlive thank you. I shouldn't get sucked in, but love a bit of a history lesson.

What charitable works? Their accounts say they do about an hour a week for archewell. For charity, they do the very bare minimum.

if he pretended it was for charitable works it would be even worse than pretending it was for advancing aviation

for me, lying and saying you did charitable work is worse than lying about achieving more than you did,

You mean they should have dragged him off and crowned him when he was 3?

I don't think we can read anything in to the lack of an active role in running Travelyst

In which case we're surely entitled to a definitive breakdown of the final destination of those substantial charitable donations originating in the Royal Foundation and transferred to Travalyst ending public scrutiny in the process.

Why not?

Eh? No idea what that’s supposed to mean.
There is no real long standing convention that the heir is Prince of Wales. It was instituted as a deliberate insult, which Charles was well aware of due to events around the time of his own investiture. He needn’t have done it. It was insensitive - even deliberately provocative.

He seems to have some rather contradictory interests - he has made a big thing of environmentalism - so how does advancing the aviation industry and promoting it to children fit in?

I would love to know where the missing Archewell money goes. According to their accounts the foundation had around $10-12 million in its accounts depending on the timing of its "donations" and grant awards. Yet the accounts showed interest received as being just over $4,000 - or around 0.04% - which seems a very low interest rate as at 4% you would get around $400,000. So what does this mean? Do they move the money out to personal or business accounts during the year and keep the interest? Then move it back around the time accounts are due so that Archewell the foundation only gets interest for a few days?

I'm not really sure what you mean. There seems to be a longstanding tradition that the heir apparent is declared Prince of Wales that dates back to the 1300s when Edward I created his son as Prince of Wales, although there seems to be a tradition that the heir apparent must have at least reached their teenage years.

Where is becomes more tricky has been the times when there has been an heir presumptive and not an heir apparent. For example with the late Queen - if her father George VI had fathered a son under the Line of Succession at the time the first born son would have leapfrogged Elizabeth and Margaret to become the heir (just like Andrew and Edward leapfrogged their 10+ year older sister Anne).

It is also the case when the succession is unexpected or unclear. Like the Queen's father George VI. He was never expected to inherit as the second son - his brother Edward VIII was PoW - but then abdicated before being crowned King

So you do understand about Edward I and the insult to the Welsh then?
He’s King. He can do whatever the fuck he wants on matters like this. It would have been better not to have done it.

@Getthethrowonthesofa

"What charitable works? "

No idea, I'm aware of the arguments and the points you are making, I'm simply saying that purely in terms of the room he's going to be in on awards night and any speeches he is planning on making he'd be better off sticking to charities than talking about his flying experiences.

I'm not commenting on the politics - only your statement that it wasn't a long standing convention.

In the sense that we haven’t always had one and Charles himself wasn’t one until he was older than usual.

I don’t disagree with you , if he had got a record of charitable works,but rhe sad fact is he doesn’t. Unless he counts invictus, but even that they seem to be using for personal profile…

Actually Charles was created PoW when he was younger than usual in July 1958 when he was 9. He just wasn't formally crowned until later.
Whitehall, Saturday, July 26, 1958.
The QUEEN has been pleased to order Letters Patent to be passed under the Great Seal for creating His Royal Highness Prince Charles Philip Arthur George, Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay, Earl of Carrick, Baron of Renfrew, Lord of the Isles and Great Steward of Scotland PRINCE OF WALES and EARL OF CHESTER.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/41460/page/4733

@Lunde none of that takes away from the fact that he knew it was unpopular and that it was unnecessary.

“And the Legends of Aviation award goes to… [Buzz Aldrin puts on his glasses and squints at the trophy again]

…Sorry, that’s alienation.”

Harry Aerial Show

Harry can fly an Apache helicopter. Quite well:

Prince Harry 2012 award

Lovely speech he made when he was presented this award - and accepted it paying homage to soldiers, veterans etc..