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Iwasafool · 11/01/2024 11:48

MrsFinkelstein · 11/01/2024 11:12

Taking that view, then William deserves an award too.

He served as a Search & Rescue pilot in the RAF for 2yrs, then as an Air Ambulance pilot for 2+yrs.

Did Harry get his full licence? He was co-pilot and gunner , but I didn't think he'd qualified to fly solo?

Prince Andrew? He did over 20 years in the navy and served in a war as a helicopter pilot. Not sure it would be popular (well it wouldn't would it) but he seems to qualify.

Or King Charles, he was a helicopter pilot I think, also did the para training.

Seems like lots of people could qualify when you look at the number in the small family group.

HaroldsHorseyLady · 11/01/2024 11:48

mrsmingleton · 11/01/2024 11:28

Living Legends of Aviation
Formation December 17, 2003
Founder Jerry Lips
Type 501(c)(3) nonprofit
Purpose Recognition of Aviation Achievements
Membership c. 128
Executive Director Jerry Lips (2016)
Parent organization Kiddie Hawk Air Academy
Website livinglegendsofaviation.org
The Living Legends of Aviation is an award recognising perceived achievements in the aerospace industry, bestowed by the 128 current title holders and owned and produced by the Kiddie Hawk Air Academy, a non-profit 501(c)(3).[1] The Living Legends have all made supposed contributions to areas of aviation including: innovators, record breakers, astronauts, aviation entrepreneurs, industry leaders and or simply by being a celebrity pilot who has the money to purchase it.

You can BUY it? Is it confirmed what category Harry is?

Harry is not mentioned in Sandhurst’s list of notable alumni but then pops up as an aviation legend...

Ok 😂

Falkenburg · 11/01/2024 11:49

It's a typo. It's actually 'Living Bellend'.

Doppelgangers · 11/01/2024 11:49

Harry is not mentioned in Sandhurst’s list of notable alumni but then pops up as an aviation legend...

This was my first thought too, very 'convenient' timing...

Iwasafool · 11/01/2024 11:51

HaroldsHorseyLady · 11/01/2024 11:48

Harry is not mentioned in Sandhurst’s list of notable alumni but then pops up as an aviation legend...

Ok 😂

I bet there are some excellent pilots who are a bit gob smacked. How about the one who safely landed last week when part of the fuselage blew off, I bet his passengers would all give him an award although they would probably give Boeing something slightly less enjoyable.

stemmedroses · 11/01/2024 11:51

We have a relative who is s&r and it's a pretty full on job, including flying people from remote areas when the air ambulance can't cope with conditions

I have no doubt it is but I don't understand why somebody who did it for 4 years deserves the Prince of Wales title, along with the free palatial housing, staff, drivers and security and private education for his kids when others that do it for a fulltime career just get their wages.

Falkenburg · 11/01/2024 11:52

Here is a real hero

www.qebarnet.co.uk/helicopter-hero-old-elizabethans-medal-winning-bravery-in-the-troubles-revealed/

Note he is described as being 'a very humble, selfless and secretive person. He was well known, highly loved and also highly respected.'

Unlike Harry the whining, petulant, spoilt brat.

Falkenburg · 11/01/2024 11:59

According to this he was only ever a Co pilot or gunner.

inews.co.uk/news/prince-harry-helicopter-pilot-military-career-what-said-killing-taliban-troops-2069629

Mrsjayy · 11/01/2024 12:00

stemmedroses · 11/01/2024 11:51

We have a relative who is s&r and it's a pretty full on job, including flying people from remote areas when the air ambulance can't cope with conditions

I have no doubt it is but I don't understand why somebody who did it for 4 years deserves the Prince of Wales title, along with the free palatial housing, staff, drivers and security and private education for his kids when others that do it for a fulltime career just get their wages.

because he's heir to the throne you do understand whether you agree or not is another thing, but you know and understand why Prince William is now PoW.

EdgarsTale · 11/01/2024 12:04

How is he not embarrassed? He really does live in a bubble. It shows you can buy yourself anything with enough money.

Ladyflip · 11/01/2024 12:07

@Iwasafool The pilot of the Alaskan airways flight was a woman. Which makes it even less likely she'll get an award

EasternStandard · 11/01/2024 12:08

What? How has he contributed more than non famous people who do this job for a living?

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 11/01/2024 12:10

What could have been really lovely, is if someone like Harry were to sponsor and give out an award to an unsung American pilot or other person in aviation. Someone who would be flying under the radar (sorry for the pun) otherwise, and certainly not someone in a position to purchase their own award. He could easily have chosen someone from the work he does with US veteran causes, he must meet so many inspirational pilots and other aviation staff. That would have been a wonderful gesture on his part and brought him a lot of positive PR.

Rockybooboo · 11/01/2024 12:16

Do you have proof that he paid for it?

EncantoSpice · 11/01/2024 12:22

Fergie deserves one for writing Budgie

stemmedroses · 11/01/2024 12:23

but you know and understand why Prince William is now PoW

I know it but I certainly don't understand it.

Neither do I understand why people expect Harry to be embarrassed about receiving an award from a third party (costing the taxpayer nothing) while blindly supporting an entire family that bestow wealth and titles on each other which actually impacts the taxpayer.

And before anyone says it, the personal wealth of the royal family is a result of them being the royal family, they didn't make their millions working a job.

See also they bring in more than they cost - one family being held up as better than everyone else is a disgusting notion.

I also can't understand why politicians, particularly Tories, get such a hard time on here when they at least have stood before the electorate and convinced a majority to vote for them while people are happy to support a family that can never be taken out of office.

Alalain · 11/01/2024 12:25

Wikipedia says it is paid for, however I think that may be someone messing with the page as it shows today's date as last update. 😉

Getthethrowonthesofa · 11/01/2024 12:29

I have to assume he’s paid for this or made a huge donation, there is no way he is excelled in advancing aviation.

I agree that if he’d given a donation and asked to present he’d have come off better,

but if there is something cringe worthy and and an own goal to be had, harry and Megan will find it, do it, tell everyone about it, then go into hiding, and hope the shame dies down.

Doppelgangers · 11/01/2024 12:34

Rockybooboo · 11/01/2024 12:16

Do you have proof that he paid for it?

I mean it's a very reasonable assumption that he's paid for it. He's hardly the same caliber as the others being given an award. Let's be honest he's many things but he's certainly not even an accomplished aviator let alone a living legend.

backinthebox · 11/01/2024 12:38

In nearly 30 years as a pilot, I have never heard of these awards. A quick look at past recipients reveals a very small handful of worthy recipients of such a title as ‘living legend of aviation.’ The rest of them seem to be a bunch of Hollywood actors and billionaires indulging their hobby by throwing their considerable wealth at it.

Having had the privilege of working and flying with pilots who have utterly amazing stories to tell, I will stick my neck out and say having enough money to buy lots of aircraft and fly them around a lot is not really enough of an achievement to qualify as a ‘living legend.’ Neither is being a member of the Royal Family doing a job many others do in the Armed Forces. I don’t know of any single or sustained feat of outstanding skill, bravery or devotion to the role that Prince Harry has carried out that sets him apart from other aviators.

if you ever got me in the pub, I would tell you of the real legends out there, I could talk for days about them. The colleague who saved an entire airline full of people (and all of those below) when both engines cut out at 800ft over London and still he landed it safely. The colleague who studied in her own time to become a test pilot, who was an instructor on airliners at 23 and was awarded a GAPAN Grand Masters Medal for outstanding performance before the age of 30, who is still pushing boundaries in aviation now and still has at least 15 years of career ahead of her. The colleague whose mother in law holds multiple world records for outstanding feats of aviation endurance and exploration including circumnavigating the globe in a single engined aircraft. The colleagues who evacuated a burning aircraft and got everyone off with no injuries when an engine burst into flames on the take off roll. The instructor I had who flew aid flights to Africa, clearing zebras off the runway before he could land in the remote African bush with much needed medication. The instructor I had who won a famous air race in brilliant manner in the 1960s, leading to the entry to service of one of the most famous fighter aircraft of all time and who went on to be one of the most iconic flying instructors I know of. The colleague who was sent out on a passenger flight he did not return from, becoming instead a human shield in a dirty war. The club mate I had who taught himself to get into an aerobatic aircraft after he was paralysed and went on to win national aerobatic competitions and raised millions for disabled pilots. The colleague who wrestled a hijacker to the floor in the cockpit, saving everyone on board a B747 - and his copilots who actually did the flying even though they had the weight of a hijacker on their shoulders throughout the ordeal.

These are just a small number of the stories I could tell you. Former military helicopter pilots are numerous where I work, none of them have awards for simply doing their job. This is a back-slapping club for rich people, with a few probably slightly bewildered actual legends among them, their presence required to make the rest of them feel as though they are someone different to everyone else.

Mrsjayy · 11/01/2024 12:42

I would imagine the Sussexes publicity people scout about for ridiculous awards for them to receive as I said US "Elite" lap this nonsense up they are usually fundraisers to be seen at, Prince Harry will be taking this deadly serious and actually think he is an Aviation "ledge"

notimagain · 11/01/2024 12:46

@Falkenburg

According to this he was only ever a Co pilot...

The international union of co-pilot's is going to be contacting you shortly to explain what the term co-pilot actually means..anyhow:

PH did the did helicopter pilot course at Shawbury in 2009/10 and was issued with wings.

From what I've heard from somebody that was instructing there at the time he did OK, not stellar, but not a dumbo either..

(But IMHO he's certainly not an aviation legend)

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 11/01/2024 12:49

@backinthebox that's a great post, so many inspirational and moving stories.

EncantoSpice · 11/01/2024 12:59

I think it’s an American celebrity thing, like the one Meghan “won” from her friend.

Pretty much every rich or famous celebrity has a “foundation” but all that seems to involve is celebrity friendship groups giving each other meaningless awards all day long.

Fourecks · 11/01/2024 13:14

Prince of Wales is not a merit-based award like this award is pretending to be (there are clearly some meritorious people who have won it though).

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