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Prince Andrew Was Lying (and Sweating) From The Start, Wasn't He?

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TallerSally · 04/01/2024 14:50

So now we have it, the abject and in all likelihood criminal behaviour of Prince Andrew, still titled Duke of York and still eighth in the line of succession to the British throne, laid out for all to see.

Settled out of court as part of a grotesque cover-up.

Still denying knowing Virginia Giuffre, and presumably Johanna Sjoberg whose breast he allegedly fondled, who are undoubtedly the tip of the iceberg of the girls Prince Andrew and his paedo friend Jeffrey Epstein abused.

Still protected by Buckingham Palace who have gone out of their way to state the accusations as "categorically untrue", as if anyone believes them.

Still supported by the British Royal Family who seem desperate to "rehabilitate him" (and his grifter ex-wife), still living in a Royal Palace presumably at taxpayers expense (i.e. Grifter in Chief), still prancing around at official functions, still oozing a sense of arrogant entitlement, with no-one including King Charles having any sense of courage or moral rectitude to deliver to make him face the consequences of his repugnant actions.

Still being defended by the royal palaces briefing operations and the British media, and by those at ease with shameful double standards on various boards, including this one, who are happy spending their time posting 100'000+ messages a year attacking Meghan and Harry while turning a blind eye to a likely real criminal.

No amount of covering-up will ever rehabilitate Prince Andrew. All it'll do is drag the royal family further down in the esteem of folks with any sense of decency.

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ChanelNo19EDT · 03/02/2024 15:45

If she dies before him, that house would go back to him. I guess some money was kept safe by channelling it to a house in fergie's name. No matter how many more cases Andrew has to settle, a house in an x wife's name was safe. It will either pass to their children or if they remarry then it will go back to Andrew without tax.
Oh WHATEVER they do, marry, re-marry put a post-it note on their fridge like Derek and meredith, all decisions will be financial

Roussette · 03/02/2024 15:53

That's very true @ChanelNo19EDT

The Mayfair house was spun as an investment for SF.

Roussette · 03/02/2024 15:59

Hahahaha... which makes Sarah calling him 'a giant of a principled man' just laughable.

The two of them must think we're stupid. He is an absolute disgrace and as I've said before, the chickens have come home to roost, and maybe his Mother should have got a handle on this and him decades ago. But she didn't. And here we are.

TallerSally · 03/02/2024 15:59

Oh WHATEVER they do, marry, re-marry put a post-it note on their fridge like Derek and meredith, all decisions will be financial

Aha... so any re-marriage could be a way for PA to regain access to millions squirrelled away from his dodgy dealings with oligarchs and paedos over the years, which he may have temporarily shielded by putting them in Fergie's name... such crass dealings feel fully in character for both of them.

And maybe there's also something about SF not being able to testify against PA in any future prosecutions or lawsuits if they're married?

Maybe the remarriage idea is actually being pushed by SF, where she cooperates in exchange for the financial security of being in the RF and some big bucks in her name?...

Grifter-apprentices and gold-diggers the world over - take note!

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ChanelNo19EDT · 03/02/2024 16:08

I think so yes. Money was siphoned away from Andrew quite neatly by buying a house in Fergie's name. They live at Lodge Royal or whatever it's called, so neither is living in the house I don't think but both have the same heirs.
Now that fergie has cancer, Andrew might be grasping enough to want to get control of the six million before passing what's left of it on to B&E
I really hope Fergie outlives him though!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/02/2024 17:17

Roussette · 03/02/2024 14:40

but frankly I'd be amazed if Sarah even wanted to re-marry her repulsive ex ... why would she pick "official" involvement with that ghastly family again, when from a material POV she's doing very nicely as it is?

She's part of it! She lives on a 98 acre Royal Estate, despite having a £6M Mayfair house! You can't tell me she pays her way whilst living there. And she uses the grounds as a backdrop whilst dressed up in regal costumes to flog her Mills & Boon books.

She loves being part of it, I bet she would marry in again like a shot. She talks about him in such glowing terms...
She calls him a giant of a principled man and a true gentleman, steadfast to his duty

Bollocks.

Totally agree, Roussette, but that was my point ... being on the inside already and enjoying the material perks, why would she complicate things with remarriage and so be expected to behave in a certain way, carry out irksome "duties" and all the rest of it?

At least now she can pick and choose, whereas a more formal position could involve pressure she may not welcome

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/02/2024 17:26

TallerSally · 03/02/2024 15:00

Both are the very definition of grifters, in slightly different ways. PA is a sleazy entitled leech who’s spent his life shamelessly sponging off the RF and public purse, pretending to be an envoy while touring the world accepting grace and favours from paedophiles and dictators.

As for Fergie, gold-digger doesn’t even begin to capture it. Admittedly when she was turfed out she showed her entrepreneurial/hustling skills by being caught trying to peddle access to PA for money (how dumb to think someone would genuinely pay for access to ‘Randy Andy’), and with her various tasteless ventures in the world of Mills and Boon, and US low-brow talk shows etc etc.

Honestly, the RF couldn’t have found two more crass characters to try to big up to the public.

And if what BP are doing is testing the waters as some kind of subtle PR strategy, then the message is clear: global ridicule and contempt await!

Agree with most of this too, except the doubt that anyone would pay for access to Andrew

Unfortunately he makes a habit of befriending people just as bad - if not worse - than he is, and I can quite believe people like that may regard him as a worthwhile "investment"

Repulsive as he is he's still a member of the RF who clearly have no intention of cutting him off, and some still believe an association with them to have a certain cachet - though never ask me why

PassifloraEvangelist · 03/02/2024 17:32

Actually come to think of it, this is probably the way Harry is already going. Rental a Royal.

Roussette · 03/02/2024 17:32

Ahhh... I've got you! Yes, she's got the best of both worlds AFAIC... freedom and all the trappings of royalty by living on a Royal Estate of some hugeness!

However, wouldn't she really seal her position with re-marriage? Not sure. I don't think she, by association with her DH if they got married, would ever carry out public duties, I don't think the public would stand for it!

I have to say I am bored senseless with the "we are the happiest divorced couple ever". It grates. So for that reason, go off and do it but don't expect the public to cheer you on!

Roussette · 03/02/2024 17:34

Sorry, that was to Puzzled

Passiflora Sarah has been doing that for decades! 74 books under the name Duchess of York? (to include 'Dining with the Duchess' and 'Dieting with the Duchess'!)

PassifloraEvangelist · 03/02/2024 18:10

Its all so incredibly tawdry.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/02/2024 18:23

Wouldn't she really seal her position with re-marriage?

Well, given the RF's divorce rate few others have Roussette
I suppose, though, that she'd have to be given yet another "settlement" if they divorced again, so there's that

Still think she's probably better off with a "semi-detached" position though ... especially now she's sadly poorly

TallerSally · 03/02/2024 20:07

I don't think she, by association with her DH if they got married, would ever carry out public duties, I don't think the public would stand for it!

Eeeeeeeeewwwwww!

I can't imagine any public cause wanting the patronage of these two, no matter how much lipstick BP try to apply.

I'm pretty certain taking up royal duties of any kind would be a dream come true for Fergie. The woman is truly shameless - an entire life spent in the periphery of a family that has mostly treated her with (mostly deserved) contempt, yet here she is, desperate for more...

Her and PA deserve each other - they should be stripped of their titles and sent packing in disgrace. But KC and KW don't have even a tenth of the courage needed to do that...

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Roussette · 03/02/2024 20:12

Totally agree @TallerSally

I'm just imagining Meghan living in a Royal Palace if (unlikely IMHO) H&M were to divorce and that had happened 30 years ago!

Andrew and Sarah split up after 8 years of marriage... only a couple of years to wait Meghan!

CathyorClaire · 03/02/2024 20:15

If she dies before him, that house would go back to him. I guess some money was kept safe by channelling it to a house in fergie's name.

Just catching up.

The house was reportedly bought jointly with her daughters as an 'investment'. I originally thought that would be to stop her flogging it over their heads but yes, I agree there may well be some sort of asset protection/sheltering going on here.

The swiss chalet business was odd from the get go.

How it was originally financed, why they didn't pay the agreed tranches and why the sale stalled twice over debt issues have never been addressed.

As ever so much murk 😡

Roussette · 03/02/2024 20:19

The swiss chalet business was odd from the get go.

Very

There were a couple of court cases and it was all hidden and weird.

CathyorClaire · 03/02/2024 20:22

I'd be amazed if Sarah even wanted to re-marry her repulsive ex ... why would she pick "official" involvement with that ghastly family again

Agree.

If they were going to remarry they would have done by now. As it is she gets all the perks (even gets to shimmy to church at Christmas) without the drag of having to open fish markets in pissing rain on a Wednesday.

TallerSally · 03/02/2024 20:25

Roussette · 03/02/2024 20:12

Totally agree @TallerSally

I'm just imagining Meghan living in a Royal Palace if (unlikely IMHO) H&M were to divorce and that had happened 30 years ago!

Andrew and Sarah split up after 8 years of marriage... only a couple of years to wait Meghan!

Unimaginable indeed!!

Besides the generational difference, the two women seem to me to be as different as you can get.

SF very much the grifting hanger-on even after she's been divorced and chucked out of the family, embarrassing herself and her children by her tawdry ventures and general lack of any poise, and presumably with nothing noteworthy to do with herself, other than get ChatGPT to write a few more Mills & Boons "From the "Duchess Herself".

No-one rational can argue that Meghan had a successful career and a genuine passion for philanthropy. I just can't imaging her shamelessly hanging on even a year after a divorce, let alone 30 years, living for free in RF/taxpayer funded accommodation, scrambling around for any morsels off the RF's tables...

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Angrycat2768 · 03/02/2024 20:29

CathyorClaire · 03/02/2024 20:22

I'd be amazed if Sarah even wanted to re-marry her repulsive ex ... why would she pick "official" involvement with that ghastly family again

Agree.

If they were going to remarry they would have done by now. As it is she gets all the perks (even gets to shimmy to church at Christmas) without the drag of having to open fish markets in pissing rain on a Wednesday.

Wasn't it Phil who refused to have her back in the fold? He's only been dead a couple of years. I doubt Fergie, if she married again would be wheeled out to open fish markets. She'd be in exile with Andrew but she'd be the loyal wife blah blah blah...

CathyorClaire · 03/02/2024 20:36

Wasn't ut Phil who refused to have her back in the fold? He's only been dead a couple of years.

Yep.

It does make you wonder why they're all going to such lengths to keep Prince Charmless onside.

Angrycat2768 · 03/02/2024 20:42

CathyorClaire · 03/02/2024 20:36

Wasn't ut Phil who refused to have her back in the fold? He's only been dead a couple of years.

Yep.

It does make you wonder why they're all going to such lengths to keep Prince Charmless onside.

Yes it's all very strange. Very quick to banish Harry/ chuck him out of his house etc but it's impossible to evict Andrew, and stop him getting whoever is still unethical enough to toady for him to release fishing leaks to the press for him.

ChanelNo19EDT · 03/02/2024 20:46

Wasn't fergies father some kind of friend of Prince Philip's?
Along time polo chum.
Weird to take such a dislike to your old friend's daughter. I guess if she was your daughter in law that out shines the fact that this is yr friend's daughter.

GrazingSheep · 03/02/2024 21:16

And today lots of coverage of Ingrid Seward’s new book - QE2 allegedly thought Meghan’s wedding dress was ‘too virginal’ for a divorcee and Prince Phillip called her DoW (Wallis Simpson). What a shower of fuckwits.

Angrycat2768 · 03/02/2024 21:24

Honestly. These 'friends' of The,Queen just couldn't wait till she was dead to betray her confidence, could they? And you can see the disapproval dripping from them. They see it as some kind if ' Gotcha' to tell the world that The Queen thought Meghan shouldn't have worn white on her wedding day ( Red maybe? A giant 'A' embroidered on her dress?) and that The Queen was so resentful of a newborn baby ( her great granddaughter) that she lamented that she had taken her horrible nickname that would otherwise have died with her away from her. Either she was an awful tone deaf old woman or her ' friends' have made up a load of old crap to stick it to Meghan and made her sound like that.