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Prince Andrew Was Lying (and Sweating) From The Start, Wasn't He?

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TallerSally · 04/01/2024 14:50

So now we have it, the abject and in all likelihood criminal behaviour of Prince Andrew, still titled Duke of York and still eighth in the line of succession to the British throne, laid out for all to see.

Settled out of court as part of a grotesque cover-up.

Still denying knowing Virginia Giuffre, and presumably Johanna Sjoberg whose breast he allegedly fondled, who are undoubtedly the tip of the iceberg of the girls Prince Andrew and his paedo friend Jeffrey Epstein abused.

Still protected by Buckingham Palace who have gone out of their way to state the accusations as "categorically untrue", as if anyone believes them.

Still supported by the British Royal Family who seem desperate to "rehabilitate him" (and his grifter ex-wife), still living in a Royal Palace presumably at taxpayers expense (i.e. Grifter in Chief), still prancing around at official functions, still oozing a sense of arrogant entitlement, with no-one including King Charles having any sense of courage or moral rectitude to deliver to make him face the consequences of his repugnant actions.

Still being defended by the royal palaces briefing operations and the British media, and by those at ease with shameful double standards on various boards, including this one, who are happy spending their time posting 100'000+ messages a year attacking Meghan and Harry while turning a blind eye to a likely real criminal.

No amount of covering-up will ever rehabilitate Prince Andrew. All it'll do is drag the royal family further down in the esteem of folks with any sense of decency.

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goodbyestranger · 03/02/2024 22:05

My vote is for awful woman. On her death, Peter Morgan said that The Crown was 'a love letter to the Queen'. I couldn't see that the final episodes were anything other than a sharp indictment of a thoroughly self absorbed woman with little empathy for anyone else.

meercat23 · 03/02/2024 22:13

The story about the wedding dress colour was actually reported quite soon after the wedding not just recently although I can't remember where so have no idea if it was a credible source. Just my opinion but the idea of white only being appropriate for a first wedding was quite typical for HMQs generation and, eg Camilla wore very pale grey. I am rambling but trying to say that it might not have been passed on by anyone it could just have been a press story based on assumptions about what a woman of HMQs generation would have thought.

KnickerlessParsons · 03/02/2024 22:55

I'd be amazed if Sarah even wanted to re-marry her repulsive ex ... why would she pick "official" involvement with that ghastly family again

It's probably the other way round. He wants to marry her.
If she's his wife she can't be made to testify against him, and she's bound to know "stuff".

Angrycat2768 · 04/02/2024 07:41

meercat23 · 03/02/2024 22:13

The story about the wedding dress colour was actually reported quite soon after the wedding not just recently although I can't remember where so have no idea if it was a credible source. Just my opinion but the idea of white only being appropriate for a first wedding was quite typical for HMQs generation and, eg Camilla wore very pale grey. I am rambling but trying to say that it might not have been passed on by anyone it could just have been a press story based on assumptions about what a woman of HMQs generation would have thought.

I think the source was named, so someone has put their name to it. Whether that person has made it up to endorse her own views, who knows?

BrittleVeneers · 04/02/2024 07:44

I wonder what the books says about what the Queen thought about Andrew in the last years of her life?

Angrycat2768 · 04/02/2024 07:50

BrittleVeneers · 04/02/2024 07:44

I wonder what the books says about what the Queen thought about Andrew in the last years of her life?

Exactly. None of that worthy of comment? No handwringing from her about that to her friends? She just spent her time bitching about her grandsons wife and children, and slagging off their wedding apparently. Any MIL on MN doing that would get short shrift, never mind GMIL.

Gottseidank · 04/02/2024 07:51

Andrew was the only one of her children/grandchildren without a job, role or anything else useful to do so he probably put in many hours every week “devotedly” caring for HMQ, fetching her snacks, walking her corgis and putting in a good word for himself at every opportunity all the while ensuring she intended to remember him fondly in her will.

Roussette · 04/02/2024 07:56

Gottseidank · 04/02/2024 07:51

Andrew was the only one of her children/grandchildren without a job, role or anything else useful to do so he probably put in many hours every week “devotedly” caring for HMQ, fetching her snacks, walking her corgis and putting in a good word for himself at every opportunity all the while ensuring she intended to remember him fondly in her will.

Oh yes, I read somewhere (I appreciate that doesn't mean it's true) that Andrew used to bow and kiss his mother's hand every time he entered a room. Repeatedly. And he always said he was only answerable to the Queen. He knew which side his bread was buttered!

goodbyestranger · 04/02/2024 10:09

You would think that any normal mother whether titled or not would tell her kids they really didn't need to bow and kiss every time they came into the room she was in. It's deeply weird. They do all seem to love themselves really rather a lot - more than is healthy for sure.

Angrycat2768 · 04/02/2024 10:36

goodbyestranger · 04/02/2024 10:09

You would think that any normal mother whether titled or not would tell her kids they really didn't need to bow and kiss every time they came into the room she was in. It's deeply weird. They do all seem to love themselves really rather a lot - more than is healthy for sure.

YOu would think, knowing how much angst her apparently beloved sister, her son and grandson have been put through as a result of her being Monarch, especially the ranking system where you are important one minute and then nobody the next, that she would have told them not to bother with all the bowing and curtseying in order in private either, and that they only had to do it in public, but no!

2dogsandabudgie · 04/02/2024 10:59

Gottseidank - Where on earth do you get your misinformation from that he never had a job, he served 22 years in the Royal Navy.

Gottseidank · 04/02/2024 12:19

2dogsandabudgie · 04/02/2024 10:59

Gottseidank - Where on earth do you get your misinformation from that he never had a job, he served 22 years in the Royal Navy.

My comment was in response to a question about the Queen’s attitude to Andrew in the last years of her life. I thought that was clear.

TallerSally · 04/02/2024 18:12

Indeed @Angrycat2768 and @goodbyestranger , the more you hear about what QE2 was allegedly really like as her entourage start spilling the beans to sell their books (oh wait, I thought that was only Harry???), the less you like her.

The £12m settlement for Andrew was scandalous enough. Then all the revelations about the arrangements she made over the years to exempt the RF from a multitude of transparency regulations, extract more and more money from the British taxpayer, shield the RF and their entourage from paying their share of inheritance taxes including by sealing wills, and so on.

Then the incredible pettiness about Lilibet’s name, where she apparently cried out in anguish that H&M took from her “all she had!!!!”, the poor, poor billionaire.

Then more recently, cattiness about Meghan’s wedding dress being to white for her as a… divorcee (and something else, perhaps?).

Then more reports today that she thought Diana would have been a better match for… paedo-accused Andrew.

Let that sink in, for a little while. The lovely teenage Diana… and Prince Andrew…

I wonder why the Queen might have thought that???

I also wonder why the person who revealed this, who perhaps isn’t the smartest PR in the UK, didn’t realise how damaging such a ‘revelation’ could be, in the light of the Prince Andrew Epstein Virginia Giuffre and others.

Makes you wonder what QE2 knew when, and if she did, why she didn’t do anything to stop Andrew??? And why she was so happy to pay off Virginia Giuffre?

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meercat23 · 04/02/2024 18:19

Let that sink in, for a little while. The lovely teenage Diana… and Prince Andrew…

Just on that point alone, there was only 1 year difference in the ages of Diana and Andrew whereas there was 12 years between Charles and Diana and at that time there was no hint anywhere that Andrew might have inappropriate liking for very young girls.

ChanelNo19EDT · 04/02/2024 19:25

Or you could read it like the queen thought Charles was too much older than Diana, which he was.

Angrycat2768 · 04/02/2024 20:31

ChanelNo19EDT · 04/02/2024 19:25

Or you could read it like the queen thought Charles was too much older than Diana, which he was.

Bit late after the marriage to think that. It's not as if she had no choice in the matter. She had to give her consent. And it's not like Charles was desperate to marry Diana and forced her hand. More like she wanted an heir to her heir, didn't really think or care enough about whoever the owner of the womb was then after the fact may have regretted it. Now some of her senile Ladies in Waiting have flapped their gums to Ingrid Seward, who has always been a Charles apologist. He recruited her to spread the 'Diana was mad' rumours and rehabilitate himself and Camilla.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/02/2024 20:52

Now some of her senile Ladies in Waiting have flapped their gums to Ingrid Seward, who has always been a Charles apologist. He recruited her to spread the 'Diana was mad' rumours and rehabilitate himself and Camilla

I remember very well and probably won't be reading the book, but does anyone know if Seward's named her sources or is it just the usual "someone close", etc.?

Because the bits mentioned sound awfully like tittle tattle, which is only too easy to recycle from previous pieces or just make up

PassifloraEvangelist · 05/02/2024 08:35

meercat23 · 04/02/2024 18:19

Let that sink in, for a little while. The lovely teenage Diana… and Prince Andrew…

Just on that point alone, there was only 1 year difference in the ages of Diana and Andrew whereas there was 12 years between Charles and Diana and at that time there was no hint anywhere that Andrew might have inappropriate liking for very young girls.

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I don’t think 17 is a very young girl really.

Roussette · 05/02/2024 08:57

Age is irrelevant if sex trafficking is involved

PassifloraEvangelist · 05/02/2024 09:59

Yes I agree but let’s be factual. He doesn’t have any track record for paedophilia ( so far as we know).

Roussette · 05/02/2024 10:32

Andrew do you mean?

I am talking about the victims. The ones Andrew's besties Maxwell and Epstein procured.

If we are talking about someone else, I apologise

ChanelNo19EDT · 05/02/2024 11:47

Wow, was Ingrid on board with the Diana is mad campagin as well?, Charles really has a gang of fawners! He also had Penny Junor on that well trodden Diana was mad campaign. I have never ever seen a picture of Charles where I thought, ok, I get it, he was hot when he was young! I only ever think, wow, how did two good looking parents have a son that looks like Charles. I've mellowed towards him over the years. I heard that Ingrid Seward (to the surprise of the reviewer) does hold Charles to account for poor parenting but then also in the next breath excuses him because good parenting is not what he himself experienced.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/02/2024 12:25

Was Ingrid on board with the Diana is mad campaign as well?

Well she was certainly happy to repeat the "paranoia" story all over the place, so I guess so

They all have pros/antis among the media, so for example Richard Kay was a Diana cheerleader, Scobie Harry and Meghan's, and now Seward's popped up again with the pro-Charles stuff

Which is why I asked if she's naming her sources in the book ...

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/02/2024 12:30

Oh, and let's not forget the awful Penny Junor, who actually amused me with her constant use of "The fact is ..." in her various ramblings

Too bad that events later proved her wrong with some of it, but then that's the risk they take when pretending to know things that have really been invented

Angrycat2768 · 05/02/2024 13:06

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/02/2024 12:25

Was Ingrid on board with the Diana is mad campaign as well?

Well she was certainly happy to repeat the "paranoia" story all over the place, so I guess so

They all have pros/antis among the media, so for example Richard Kay was a Diana cheerleader, Scobie Harry and Meghan's, and now Seward's popped up again with the pro-Charles stuff

Which is why I asked if she's naming her sources in the book ...

I think she named The Queens cousin as the source for her book. But yes, who knows if The Queen confided in her, moaning about the wedding dress, or whether she thought that, and thought 'Oh if I say something nasty but say it came from The Queen everyone will agree with me!' I was watching The Crown, and they had Camilla in a white dress for her civil ceremony. I only remember the blue church blessing dress, because I thought it was lovely, but a bit hypocritical. If the church agreed to marry a divorcee in church, it agreed to marry a divorcee in church. The dress is irrelevant.

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