Endgame Part 6

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Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4960903-omid-scobie-endgame-part-5?page=1

I can’t forget reading Charles saying “Please, boys - don't make my final years a misery”. That’s very sad 😔

will Harry be back in Charles life time, I suspect so, as if the marriage ends, he will spend part of his time back in the uk . But like andrew does. As a family member, not a working royal.

But even if he's just attending family events, could you ever trust him not to blab details of the most private family matters, or repeated twisted versions of private conversations? How could anyone ever feel they could speak freely in front of him?

(And H attending purely family events would be dependent on William ever agreeing to his family being in the same room as H.)

Whatever one may think of Andrew, he has never breached his family's privacy in the way that Harry has.

It's a cliche, but time is a healer. If Harry stops leaking personal information about his family, and seems genuine about wanting to re-establish a relationship, I am sure it would be possible given time. Not the same as it was before, you can't unwrite what's happened, but a way of cautiously rebuilding the relationship on a new footing.

Yes thank you!

For me, it wouldn't be the lose of trust, it would be the loss of relationship.

Harry is the only brother William will ever have. He's the only one that truly shares the grief over their mother. You can't put a price on such understanding.

And for Kate, well, didn't she used to treat Harry like her own brother? It must break her heart how he's essentially bullying her now.

And then there's the lack of relationship with Archie and Lilibet, who have had no say in being estranged from both sides of their families.

Yes it really is.

I hadn’t seen that pilates

So very sad indeed.

I think it was in Spare @ArcaneWireless. Harry recounts a meeting with his father and brother after Prince Philip's funeral.

Even in a room where no one speaks or speaks guardedly it doesn’t stop the he said, she said that results afterwards. Just being in the same vicinity gives potential of further disclosure.

I agree with you, but if the marriage ends, I’m honestly not sure harry will continue down this path. That’s not blaming Megan,but I suspect if it was over, and he was back part time in the uk, as he was alone, there would be nothing in it anymore for him. This was all to get celebrity and money. I’m not sure that was ever Harry’s ambition.

plus at some point, he has to realise that it is only negatively impacting him. He’s literally drinking poision and expecting the royal family to die.

While, in theory, it would be very sad if the Sussexes divorced, that family - on both sides - is stuffed full of divorces and perfectly amicable
relation. Thomas and Doria seem to have been ok after the divorce, Fergie is at Sandringham for Christmas three decades after her divorce, Princess Anne is on good terms with Zara and Peter’s father and if there’s one thing the Royals do well, it’s split up.

I don’t know how well Meghan gets on with her ex husband but she chose well enough that he hasn’t given an interview to the Mail so he must be quite nice. I wonder if she would keep schtum and be so loyal to Harry the same way in the event of a split?

I know what I think!

Imagine stirring up a cauldron of anguish when your dad’s mam and dad are not long for this earth.

Shameful that. Like life wasn’t hard enough.

I don’t think he gave a moment’s thought about the impact of his actions, he’s far too selfish and egotistical to give a toss about the damage he was inflicting.
I think he thought it would be amusing to tell tales but had little insight into how vindictive and cruel he’s been.
I can’t imagine anyone in the royal family or in the world of celebrities trusting him or Meghan, with very good reason.

I know it’s disgraceful behaviour

i think things might have been a bit different if Prince Philip had been younger and fitter. I doubt if he would have tolerated Harry’s nonsense.

I'm NC with my sister, and it will be a cold day in hell before I would ever willingly welcome her back into my life. I don't trust or like her in any way shape or form. Turning my back was the hardest thing that I've ever done but my only regret is not doing it sooner. Charles may welcome Harry back as a private family member but he'll never be part of the inner circle again and no one will ever let their guard down around him. And who can blame them...

But I can't honestly see how they can divorce. There is no way that Meghan will go quietly, no matter how much money Charles throws at her, and the children will still be family. I honestly don't see any way out of this relationship for Harry.

Working Windsors can’t see H or his fam cos of the risk Harry tells the press Camilla punched the baby, or similar.

Meetings have been chaperoned in person for years. Way before Megxit because everyone was terrified of the Sussex-My-Truth.

But the royals can only disprove allegations if they sue, and they don’t. Well, they’ve got no intention of being pushed into it.

H&M don’t want to see his family, they need to see them. Access to Windsors bolsters their royal credentials, they can drop tantalising titbits and all the other £ stuff.

What I found distasteful was his complaining that he didn’t know the queen was at rhe end. Everyone knew. Everyone. The world’s press was camped outside balmoral the day she passed. I was in Germany and it was on the tv in the airport lounge. Constant coverage, waiting for the announcement. It was absolutely impossible for Harry and Megan to have not known. They could have made their way up to balmoral. Been in Scotland. Reached out to family. Instead they stayed away, and then whinged they didn’t know. And apparently argued that Megan should be allowed at rhe death bed. Which is utterly sickening.

H&M don’t want to see his family, they need to see them. Access to Windsors bolsters their royal credentials, they can drop tantalising titbits and all the other £ stuff.

agree, they have got them selves in such a bad place now, they need the link to bolster them back up. If they can show they are close to the throne. The family. It is their best chance of renewed interest in them. I’m positive Charles and the rest of them know that.

What happened at the end of the late Queen's life was shocking, @Gardeningtime . It was the most significant moment in his father's life and Harry made it all about him and Meghan! Dreadful behaviour. You're also right that what they have to sell are their royal connections and proximity to the throne, so they need to try to keep that going, but it's diminishing returns.

The thing is that if there is any meeting, however fleeting, the details will be leaked before it even happens. As per the phone call they had recently. They’re so desperate to milk their Royals connections, they’re at it before the event even takes place . Its disgusting. The two of them appear to have absolutely no moral compass.

Agree, if you think about it it was appalling. Everyone knew the queen was at the end, it was on every bloody channel. The palace put out an announcement saying she’d taken a turn for the worse, to prepare the public.

It was world wide news.

So for them to claim they didn’t know, then argue about Megan coming to her bedside as she was dying is just awful, apparently William was trying to call him, and he was refusing to answer. Megan told him to. He’d have known exactly why William was calling him. And he didn’t want to pick up.

and for the royal connections, they didn’t just bite the hand that fed them, they bit it off, chewed it up and spat it out.,,

....then moaned that no-one had ever bothered to help them!

What I found distasteful was his complaining that he didn’t know the queen was at rhe end.

It was clear to everyone who saw the Queen in public at the Jubilee or elsewhere in 2022, even those of us watching on tv, that she was becoming very frail and that it might well be her last summer. H&M must have seen it for themselves on the brief visit where the Queen met Lili. Yet they turned down the invitation to go to Balmoral to spend time with her. If they couldn't be bothered to go when she was alive, why would the expect to go when she was dying?

The family. It is their best chance of renewed interest in them. I’m positive Charles and the rest of them know that.

In Spare, Harry (reportedly - I haven't read it) describes how on the day the Queen died, everyone else went off to Birkhall for a family dinner, and left him behind. I don't blame them. On the day your mother has died, you don't want to sit down to dinner with someone who is going to spill your intensely personal conversation everywhere, with added twists of 'their truth'.

Re the Platinum Jubilee celebrations. It wasn’t the late Queen on the balcony that made me question her health but Charles.

For all the world he looked upset and as though he’d been crying. It may of course have been the emotion of the occasion but it looked different.