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Endgame Part 6

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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 23/12/2023 13:57

A turkey, absolute balls of stuffing or a right Christmas cracker? We'll let you decide. Please keep the discussion interesting, civilised and relevant - the Holiday Armadillo is lurking!

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wildernesssw · 26/01/2024 18:01

But why the mismatch between formal (skirt) and casual (top)?

StrawberryJellyBelly · 26/01/2024 18:02

@Chouxpastryishard

Meghan quite often gets it wrong just as we all do at times. But this is a style she seems to like even though it does nothing for her. Just as the similarly styled red dress by Caroline Herrera that she wore to a Military gala was also wrong for the occasion as well as her.

Lunde · 26/01/2024 18:05

pinkmont · 26/01/2024 16:30

I think this is the same skirt, styled with a shirt and belt. Love this colour.

Wow - it doesn't look like the same skirt at all - did she add crinolines or petticoats to make it more puffy?

Or was it a last minute alteration to take in the waist without reducing the fullness. In this shot it looks badly made/altered with the waistband and zip not in alignment, some puckering along the zip and odd rear gathers.

Esme and Patrick would be critical ....

Endgame Part 6
TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 26/01/2024 18:07

AliceOlive · 26/01/2024 17:59

I do find it extremely difficult to figure out how to dress from place to place. Even going from where I live now to my home state. I would have thought that outfit would be great for meeting a PM and attending a movie opening. and I think she got it right based on how his wife was dressed.

I agree, I thought it was a brilliant choice actually- it managed to be simple and informal enough that it didn’t look out of place with Harry’s open necked shirt but the massive skirt gave it some princessy glamour and sense of occasion.

I have a theory as to why they were there. I think they were doing it to show the royal family ‘look how well we play in Commonwealth countries! Look what an asset we could be! Let us back pleeeeeease!’
I haven’t followed it enough to know how they actually went down but they will have gone into it confident they would be well received.

User4653566 · 26/01/2024 18:12

Or was it a last minute alteration to take in the waist without reducing the fullness. In this shot it looks badly made/altered with the waistband and zip not in alignment, some puckering along the zip and odd rear gathers.

Meghan has a natural apple shaped figure but tends to wear clothes that forcibly squish her waist in. In many outfits, such as the dress from that Disney premiere where Harry was trying to solicit work for her, the waist area looks extremely painfully cinched in. Same for this dress. You get a stomachache just by looking at how tight the waistband is pulled across the skin. It probably looks great from afar and for photographers but it doesn't appear to flatter her natural figure.

Propertylover · 26/01/2024 18:15

Chouxpastryishard · 26/01/2024 17:55

Why was she so ridiculously overdressed also?

This is where I have a lot of sympathy for Meghan because if I googled royal film premier Meghan’s dress would fit in, although the skirt is a bit wide for a cinema. This was not however a UK film premier and Jamaica is a bit more laid back so a tuxedo style trouser suit may have been better.

Meghan was only part of the working royals for a couple of years and so didn’t have (want?) the benefit of long standing staff advising her what is appropriate to wear at an event. She therefore didn’t get to hone her “royal engagement uniform” like Camilla and Catherine have.

In the Netflix series M & H were both saying she didn’t know what to wear on her first royal engagement, I immediately said Google it. I also would have expected their staff to advise.

Meghan is now in limbo, she is not MM the actor where she would know what to wear on a red carpet, she is Duchess of Sussex but has little experience of her style in that role. I would expect the RF staff to do some discrete phone calls to find out the dress code and to brief Camilla, Catherine etc. this could be what the climate is, what the activities are, the culture etc. Meghan doesn’t have that.

Interestingly Harry seems to have got it right and I think some of that is instinctive given his background.

I am not saying Meghan should dress like other women in the RF as I like her style but she perhaps would benefit from someone with experience helping her to understand what an engagement requires.

A good example is Beatrice who, since her marriage, just seems to get it right. By all accounts she has an adviser to assist her.

Lunde · 26/01/2024 18:16

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 26/01/2024 17:30

Very odd though, blanket deleted since the Meet Me At The Lake post, even for innocuous stuff, but all previous posts standing. Some jiggery pokery behind the scenes, no doubt.

I wonder if there is something going on with Meet Me At the Lake - the pp was talking about it being in pre production but it is not listed on IMDB as pre production or as an upcoming project for Harry and Meghan, which is unusual as people list preproduction projects on IMDB for years

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 26/01/2024 18:23

‘Or was it a last minute alteration to take in the waist without reducing the fullness. In this shot it looks badly made/altered with the waistband and zip not in alignment, some puckering along the zip and odd rear gathers.’

While I like her choices I totally agree with you she does not do well at getting things altered to fit well. She clearly doesn’t have a reliable local seamstress/someone who is willing to tell her the truth about what adjustments are possible and needed.

Lunde · 26/01/2024 18:31

Propertylover · 26/01/2024 18:15

This is where I have a lot of sympathy for Meghan because if I googled royal film premier Meghan’s dress would fit in, although the skirt is a bit wide for a cinema. This was not however a UK film premier and Jamaica is a bit more laid back so a tuxedo style trouser suit may have been better.

Meghan was only part of the working royals for a couple of years and so didn’t have (want?) the benefit of long standing staff advising her what is appropriate to wear at an event. She therefore didn’t get to hone her “royal engagement uniform” like Camilla and Catherine have.

In the Netflix series M & H were both saying she didn’t know what to wear on her first royal engagement, I immediately said Google it. I also would have expected their staff to advise.

Meghan is now in limbo, she is not MM the actor where she would know what to wear on a red carpet, she is Duchess of Sussex but has little experience of her style in that role. I would expect the RF staff to do some discrete phone calls to find out the dress code and to brief Camilla, Catherine etc. this could be what the climate is, what the activities are, the culture etc. Meghan doesn’t have that.

Interestingly Harry seems to have got it right and I think some of that is instinctive given his background.

I am not saying Meghan should dress like other women in the RF as I like her style but she perhaps would benefit from someone with experience helping her to understand what an engagement requires.

A good example is Beatrice who, since her marriage, just seems to get it right. By all accounts she has an adviser to assist her.

Don't celebrities usually get their assistants to phone and ask about dress code? I'm sure I have read this. This screening seems to have been tricky as there seems to have been a huge variation in clothing, especially in the section where they were seated, with everything from partywear, to casualwear to sportswear. A ballgown was a OTT - I wonder if she knew this before the event hence her attempt to dress it down with the tank top. Harry knew not to bother with a tie.

In the Netflix series M & H were both saying she didn’t know what to wear on her first royal engagement, I immediately said Google it. I also would have expected their staff to advise.

I'm pretty sure that she would have got plenty of advice - if only they had listened. In her interviews at the time she was adamant about having her own style. Remember when she didn't understand the hint from the Queen's staff "the Queen will be wearing a hat".

JaneJeffer · 26/01/2024 18:34

Remember when she didn't understand the hint from the Queen's staff "the Queen will be wearing a hat".
Why didn't they just say "wear a hat" instead of hinting about it?

AliceOlive · 26/01/2024 18:35

If you look at the picture posted up thread which shows the back, that actually does not look like a separate top. It has a zipper.

wildernesssw · 26/01/2024 18:36

I think a lot of the difficulties were down to cultural differences, including communication style

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Propertylover · 26/01/2024 18:42

@Lunde yes she will have an assistant but when she is with H, whether you like it or not, she brings some royal cachet. Getting the balance where she is not a celebrity but a royal but not officially a royal is quite a difficult thing to nail.

wildernesssw · 26/01/2024 18:44

Propertylover · 26/01/2024 18:42

@Lunde yes she will have an assistant but when she is with H, whether you like it or not, she brings some royal cachet. Getting the balance where she is not a celebrity but a royal but not officially a royal is quite a difficult thing to nail.

Agreed. It comes down to the capacity in which they attended. Private individuals? Or invited VIPs? It wasn't clear

ArcaneWireless · 26/01/2024 18:46

I think you could very well be right with the commonwealth look at us shine thing @TheCountessofFitzdotterel

As a lot of us keep saying ‘it could all have been so different’ and it really could have been.

We’ve all kicked ourselves I’m sure at some of our decisions during our lives.

I do wonder if they ever have a tinge of regret. I understand that their decision was right for them at the time. Time and subsequent decisions and the wrong folk round them has not helped of course but still.

It just never seemed enough to settle to be a very shiny jewel in the crown.

They wanted to be the jewel in the crown.

mrsmingleton · 26/01/2024 18:49

It was a difficult call tbh - the occasion was pretty informal but M doesn't seem to have realised that. The more photos of the event I look at the more casual it appears.

AliceOlive · 26/01/2024 18:55

mrsmingleton · 26/01/2024 18:49

It was a difficult call tbh - the occasion was pretty informal but M doesn't seem to have realised that. The more photos of the event I look at the more casual it appears.

I’m always happy to be dressed as well as the most prestigious at an event. I was taught it was respectful and I believe that.

So looking at the ZM, KBA, AH, JH, and the paramount guy with his wife, I think Meghan got it right.

Lunde · 26/01/2024 18:55

JaneJeffer · 26/01/2024 18:34

Remember when she didn't understand the hint from the Queen's staff "the Queen will be wearing a hat".
Why didn't they just say "wear a hat" instead of hinting about it?

Well a normal person would clarify the statement "oh does that mean that I should wear a hat too?" ... and not just ignore

EdithWeston · 26/01/2024 19:04

I think what M was wearing looked fantastic from the back, but the straight line across her chest at the front wasn't quite right

mrsmingleton · 26/01/2024 19:09

EdithWeston · 26/01/2024 19:04

I think what M was wearing looked fantastic from the back, but the straight line across her chest at the front wasn't quite right

It was difficult to see - at one point it looked like she had cleavage then in others it looked like a hard flat front to it . At least it didn't have that Godawful red CH dress front.

Raincloudsonasunnyday · 26/01/2024 19:16

I think the spaghetti strap top + pouffy skirt would have worked well at Cannes, with big diamonds. That skirt calls for swathes of red carpet and space around her to pose and show off the fabric from all angles. MM often looks very lovely, but also often is wearing the wrong thing for the event she's attending (and never tailored to fit her correctly!).

I agree with PP: I think she's thinking "I'm a duchess and must dress accordingly", but I don't think she knows how to do that. I think Beatrice or Eugenie would have known instinctively that you dress for your hosts, not for yourself. They would have worn something from Vampire's Wife (for example) with a bit of flesh showing: maybe off the shoulder or slightly lower cut or more broadly cut across the neckline. Nothing too tailored, a bright colour, flowing fabric but with sequins or sparkle for glamour.

The green, punched leather, strapless dress MM wore at the end of Invictus could have worked here, with flowing hair, gold heels, and big gold jewelry, red lips. Or even the Hertz dress.

ArcaneWireless · 26/01/2024 19:16

It has been a long time since I’ve been dressed up to the nines.

it does seem to me that the floating against the floor length of a frock might be tricky to walk in. Does it naturally kick out with you as you walk?

Aa lovely though the ch skirt is, I always think M suits a ballerina length or 50s style frock better.

ArcaneWireless · 26/01/2024 19:24

Crikey….

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