Endgame Part 6

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Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4960903-omid-scobie-endgame-part-5?page=1

@MrsFinkelstein I'm so jealous! My cousin lives in Ayrshire. I went to visit her this time last year and was so envious of the area around her. We had a lovely brunch in Largs in a place called Scotts (IFIRC). It was all so lovely.

@JSMill I've been to Largs a few times! I've not been to the Scotts in Largs, but have been several times to the Troon venue (& their other restaurants).

We're very lucky here - Ayrahire's got some spectacular scenery.

This sums it up perfectly, thank you @Maireas

If I was ever to move back to Scotland, that's where I'd go. The scenery is beautiful.

I think his bridges are well and truly burnt now. Charles will try and keep a door open but never trust him again. William and Kate I feel have washed their hands of him for good. If his marriage fails he has lost everything.

I do think a door will be open but that, to me, is bugger all use if you have to be permanently guarded on what you say, what you do and how you respond.

A parent will forgive so much. A sibling may not. The hurt they’ve caused…

Love and family can overcome some tricky hurdles over the passage of time. It is what folk who love eachother do.

Theres a bloody big difference between hurdles and navigating piles of shite.

I would think it very unfair if he got welcomed back with open arms and she was left to carry the blame though.

Neither have clarted themselves with grace or glory. They enabled eachother to act in their best interests without giving a shiny one about their family or the country which he bloody promised to serve.

And to that end, his actions have been worse for me.

I don’t wish him anything other than the life he chose with the woman he chose and I wish them a happy ever after.

If a divorce were to happen it would be a bloody shame. It would also be Armegeddon.

I wonder if they regret any actions or if they resent anything the other has done to muddy the moat. Because that would come out one thousandfold. And I think the only losers if that were to happen would be them and their bairns.

Well I've managed to finish Endgame, and my takeaway is what a nasty, whiny little idiot Omid Scobie is. Can't say anything nice about anyone other than Harry or Meghan without then sticking the knife in. Mentions nicknames for H&M once, usually while saying how unfair they were, uses nicknames for anyone else multiple times. It's a bit like reading the work of a petulant year 9 who hates everyone except his two best friends!

I would think it very unfair if he got welcomed back with open arms and she was left to carry the blame though.

I think if he did come back that is a very likely dynamic.

Interesting comment from the Nicholas Witchell interview in The Times. He's very sure of Scobie's sources.

I hope not he is a grown man. He can hardly say she made me do it. We were hidden from the real H.

Exactly. How can Harry be welcomed back with "open arms" and Meghan blamed? She didn't write all those awful things in "Spare", did she?
I can't see how there will be a way back.

I hope they don't divorce because he has a lovely little family in the USA and they can manage without any extended family if he would just move on! William and Katherine are unlikely to forgive him so the future looks bleak for Harry in the UK.

I think you are right.

Now examples of that would be interesting to read..

I don't think anyone is prepared to be as cruel to Harry as he's been to his loved ones. Fortunately for him.

’Move on’ is to Harry as ‘only eat salad’ is to me.

It seems an infinitely sensible idea but actually doing it is hard to do.

Some folk like to feel as though they’ve been on the back foot all their lives. Seething resentment can be a powerful fuel.

As can a penchant for crisps.

Love the analogy, @ArcaneWireless ! You're right, though. The risible Scobie books, "Spare", the Netflix series, the TV and magazine interviews - all drip with a bitterness and perceived victimhood. There is zero self awareness. People say often on here "I hope they can move on"- I hope so too, this isn't healthy.
However, eating salads can be too much of a change for some.
I hope that he can get some sort of rapprochement with the family, because that would be a positive thing, but it's going to take some work.

Thank you for reading this, so that we didn't have to! The Nicholas Witchell summary sounds about right.

In theory he’s a grown man but blaming others is basically what Spare is all about.
Blaming Meghan for everything would be just as unreasonable as blaming his family but he’s been doing the latter for a while.

Are we twins???

I know I say it often, but happy people don’t seek to make others miserable. They don’t cling on to resentment.

We keep on being told they are happy - and I hope that they are - but I just can’t see how.

Bitterness breeds and can manifest itself into something completely unhealthy as you say maireas. I know. I’ve been guilty of it myself. There comes a time when you have to pop it down and march on.

It isn’t unreasonable for Meghan to to be disenchanted. As a grown woman with Google and an eye on the media though, she will have been aware of the downfalls of Royal life - just not the full extent of it. I wonder how much he gussied it up for her. He must have been convincing as we are all astute enough to know we’d be getting a pig in a poke. It doesn’t excuse the vague and unsubstantiated claims that were designed to wound though.

I think they have both needed the drama to breathe outside the bubble and have egged eachother on accordingly.

Some folk can bring out the worst qualities in eachother. I do think that he is far more in need of a hoof up the harris than her.

But don’t try telling me that they can be truly happy with that maelstrom of misery swirling round them.

Unless of course they like the misery…

I think the royals have closed the doors now. Seeing the images of the tindalls on the walk to church shows that Mike has become the uncle figure, and irrelevant of your thoughts of him, I would bet good money a much better and healthier role model than Harry, and gives some balance to the kids lives, he seems a hands on father and a lot of fun. They are clearly very close.

So they have closed the circle. Harry and Megan are not coming back any time soon, too much damage now. The tindalls have taken the role of close uncle and aunt and cousins to the kids.

i don’t blame Megan, I mainly blame Harry, but I give Megan the responsibility of both enabling him and egging him on for her own means, ie she wanted to be a list and hang with them, and saw harry as the path to that. She also joined in and attacked. But the most blame for me is with Harry, what he’s done is appalling. And she’s no better.

What the French call a "folie a deux".

We keep on being told they are happy - and I hope that they are - but I just can’t see how.

I can’t see it either. This clearly isn’t what they wanted. They are publicly derided, contentious, isolated. Lost so many friends, no real new ones who they don’t pay or there for some form of benefit. No a listers knocking down their door. No real family connections past doria, No careers or successes to speak of. And the royal family have went from strength to strength. If anything it’s enhanced their profile.

I can’t see how anyone can find joy in where they are.

Quite maireas

Or a puckle o’ girnin’ nyaffs.