Endgame Part 6

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Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4960903-omid-scobie-endgame-part-5?page=1

Arcane Wireless
I do hope they stay together and are happy. A lot of bridges are burning/burnt and if they can be happy together for the rest of their puff? Happy days.

However. Should things go awry? I would posit the notion that both have the ammunition to destroy eachother.

I wonder if either (or both) of them ever feelstuck.

I hope they do, too, mainly for the sake of the children whom I feel really sorry for - having been cut off from practically all their relations.

But I'm not hopeful. I am not a fan of H & M, and I see their behaviour over the last 3 years as both self-destructive and maliciously damaging to other people.

There's so much to analyse but I think the core of the problem goes back to when they got together. Harry overestimated his own importance and so did Meghan - that became clear once the resentment and demands for better accommodation and wanting to take precedence started to appear. And he overestimated hers, too - he thought she was a Hollywood actress - a big name and an A-lister - when really she had only done cable TV shows and a cable drama made in Canada. They're now finding out that, once the royal connection is gone, they are nowhere near as important as they'd thought. It's actually horrible to watch their demise. I suspect she'll find him very dull once the 'royal prince' shine has completely gone.

For the sake of the children I hope KC will come to some sort of rapprochement with Harry, but only on a personal level. I don't see him ever taking up official duties again - please, no. And I don't see anyone in the family (except perhaps sentimental Charles) ever agreeing to be in the same room as Meghan again - unless it's a very formal occasion with solicitors present! I don't think there's any hope for mending bridges with William, Catherine or Camilla after what H & M have said about them.

I don't know where they can go from here - they've really messed up. There's a saying (I think it might be Chinese....?) 'If you wait by the river long enough you will see the bodies of all your enemies float by'. In other words, do nothing and play the long game. This is what the RF know, and it seems to be working.

@Maireas I have heard that Meghan has a book in preparation. I think it could be very interesting.....

Many authors find writing a second book far harder than their first, hence the term “Second Book Syndrome”.

I wonder whether Meghan will manage to make her new work as absorbing a read as The Bench?

To be fair, @MrsGusset , many copies of The Bench were seen piled up on Meghan's desk, so are obviously useful for propping up the laptop etc.
Alas, no sequel as yet.

I don't know where they can go from here - they've really messed up

I think this too, I just don’t see what tney can do now. Everyone seems to be jettisoning them, and it will be a long time, if ever, before they’d be welcomed back into thr royal fold. They’ve caused too much pain, anger and upset.

when you think back 4 or 5 yesrs ago, how popular they were when they married, how popular Harry used to be before he met Megan, he was one of the most liked royals. They were getting money thrown at them. Clooneys turning up at their wedding, Oprah vying for the interview, Netflix and Spotify throwing money at them, millions and millions. They were able to pick and choose. Negotiate big sums. Just for their name.

and now they have all the doors shut or shutting on them, scrapping about to turn up at award ceremonies, partners making offensive comments, like Spotify calling them grifters or Netflix saying they don’t know what they were thinking. Programs like South Park being made to mock them. Putting out leaks about fake stuff they are doing like Great expectations or Africa. Accusations of bullying, multiple staff changes. All the mistruths , the lies they are caught out in, like offering to pay for security, working for Dior, or a high speed police chase. All lies. And so many more mistruths.

it is all so messed up. I just can’t see how where thry go next.

I would suggest living within their multi-million pound inheritence, stop chasing publicity, and get involved in causes that genuinely interest them. Over time they could build a track record in those causes that would give them a platform they have earned, and they would get a lot more respect.

it is all so messed up. I just can’t see how where they go next.

I agree they have naively boxed themselves in and it’s hard to see how they navigate their way out given the glimpses we see of their personality types.

Rolling up their sleeves and very quietly (no publicity) doing real charity work - not the glossy dinners but the grind could see them rehabilitate but I just can’t see them doing that. Meghan could go back to acting but I think it maybe too late.

KC is a loving father and a Christian and forgiving an errant child for things far far worse is a typical response many of us witness in our own lives. I have no doubt he would welcome H & M back to the RF and help them financially and even see them living in the UK part time.

However, he is in his 70s and, even of he remains mentally astute like the Queen, there is a frailty that comes with age.

There will be a point in the not to distant future when William will become the RF gatekeeper and at that point Harry is not going to get back in.

I agree with you, I think Charles would have rbem back in a heart beat if he needed to, many parents would. And he’d develop/repair a private relationship , particularly with the kids. But not as a working royal. I don’t think he would permit that. William I suspect would let Harry back if he was divorced and alone , but only to accommodate him, and accommodate the kids on visits, no personal relationship with Harry, and not a working royal.

i don’t think Harry and Megan or their kids will ever be working royals (again) now. That part of their life is over.

so if no one wants to employ them, well not in anything they’d wish to do,, the book days are over as the public have had enough and heard it all, they can’t be working royals., and the royals won’t let them use them for commercial gain, they lack the skills to create decent and watchable content, lending their names to things is more damaging than positive, what’s left? How do they earn money?

Next step - advertising or "endorsements".

Also, I think one of the reasons that they've had so much financial trouble is that Harry in particular must have been unbelievably naive about money. He will have had everything he needed or wanted in his entire life paid for without scrutiny. Now he comes out of court and there's a bill for £750,000 for him (yes, him) to pay. That must come as a shock.

And with his 'work' contracts - being expected to actually do things and carry them through must also be a new experience for him which he clearly couldn't rise to. There would always have been little people to do all that stuff - he's used to just gracing everyone with his presence and then clearing off. I think the 'grifters' remark from the Spotify executive was a result of H & M just throwing around ideas and leaving it there when they'd been paid £20 million for supplying content. They didn't realise they were actually expected to produce stuff and all that goes along with it.

@ArcaneWireless the dalek photo 😂😂

@Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar a moanography 😂😂

The Bench : Part Two

I think they have tried to spread too far and too wide and people really don't know what they do if anything. If they continued with one or two of Harry's charities then there might be some meaningful success. The public would know what they stand for as opposed to this airiness/nothingness/wtfisit image that they hold.

Something like this maybe 😜

Now he comes out of court and there's a bill for £750,000 for him (yes, him) to pay.

Is it that much? Wow!

I agree with your post. I said yesterday that even for a rich person, Harry has no idea how the world functions. He was used to being able to get all the glory for initiatives like Invictus, when the 'little people' were doing the real work behind the scenes. He only had to turn up in a chauffeur driven car to enjoy the applause, with his clothes laid out for him and all the annoying but essential details taken care of by others.

Now he and his wife are expected to produce something in return for the money. They were a 'big thing' when they got their media deals, but their failure to come up with the goods will not have gone unnoticed. I think they both just want to be rich, famous and adored, but have no idea how to do that.

I think they've missed the boat on that one too. They are too controversial, too polarising and too 'last year' now.

Besides, who is their target market? And what would their 'platform' be? They're rarely seen at prestigious events and don't even have social media. I don't think any major company would want to be associated with them.

Like this?

😂

I don’t think Harry and Megan or their kids will ever be working royals (again) now. That part of their life is over

I agree it's unlikely Meghan would ever live here again and still hope they can be happy in LA, but if Harry wished to return - temporarily or otherwise - I can quite see that Charles would carve out a role for him

Chuck a bit of their much-practiced PR at it, and the more fickle parts of the public would probably be thrilled (and also go along with the RF's taste for blaming the "outsider" for everything)

@Gardeningtime @Maireas is right and it could be very sad to watch.

The media have been awful to H & M but some of it is self inflicted. He will win some cases but lose others.

He could advertise gripe water.

😂😂

The Duke & Duchess of Windsor ended up doing adverts.

I agree H will never be a working Royal again. He is also having to learn fast about finances and life outside the RF machine.

Is he learning though? I don’t think there is any indication he is . He still seems to think he’s entitled to a certain lifestyle and be treated like he’s special. He still sees an incapable of self reflection.

😂

Or healthy living