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Extensive Phone Hacking by MGN

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Roussette · 15/12/2023 11:04

So... Harry has won his case.

As lawyers are saying now... this is massive. 15 out of 33 accusations of hacking by Harry were upheld as a result of phone hacking and other illegal practices.
Hacking and blagging were even taking place during the Leveson enquiry.

He has won damages of £140,000 plus. And before this thread descends into Harry hate, please think of all the other claimants who have also had their claims upheld and damages awarded to them. They went through hell, medical records hacked and reported on, trackers on cars, phones hacked...

It's not about the money, it's about 'accountability of power'.

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Anisette · 15/12/2023 14:54

Does anyone know what if any decision was made about costs? If Harry didn't win on all counts, I'm wondering if that means he has to pay any of the Mirror's costs.

andIsaid · 15/12/2023 14:55

Lockupyourbiscuits · 15/12/2023 14:46

If Harry had settled for 200k isn’t that a bigger win ? Does the mirror settling mean admitting there was hacking ?
I think he was asking for £320 originally ?
What proportion of his fees is he he still liable for ?
Just wondering what the cost of settling v cost of winning is

He was obviously happy to talk about lots of very personal details in order to bring the case which does seem counterproductive

Luckily these are historical cases so don’t affect any recent revelations- Harry is happy for them to be revealed as long as he benefits financially
-fair enough

Shame about the people who were hacked and got nothing- this case wasn’t about stopping hacking - it was about individual retribution/ compensation - hopefully the winners feel vindicated
Living in the public eye is a poisoned chalice so maybe time for Harry to step out of it

Read his statement.

It is not about money.

It is about getting official record, acountability and transparency on this issue.

You are very wrong when you say - this case wasn’t about stopping hacking - it was about individual retribution/ compensation - hopefully the winners feel vindicated.

It was all about stopping hacking.

No matter what you think of PH he did you, me, and society a great service in not settling this case.

MrsFinkelstein · 15/12/2023 14:58

@Angrycat2768 who amongst the RF have said they just wanted a simple country life?

I know Harry gave a speech saying he wanted a more "peaceful" life.

I'm not aware of any other Royal saying they want a simple country life - can you point me in that direction please.

Roussette · 15/12/2023 15:00

Lockupyourbiscuits · 15/12/2023 14:46

If Harry had settled for 200k isn’t that a bigger win ? Does the mirror settling mean admitting there was hacking ?
I think he was asking for £320 originally ?
What proportion of his fees is he he still liable for ?
Just wondering what the cost of settling v cost of winning is

He was obviously happy to talk about lots of very personal details in order to bring the case which does seem counterproductive

Luckily these are historical cases so don’t affect any recent revelations- Harry is happy for them to be revealed as long as he benefits financially
-fair enough

Shame about the people who were hacked and got nothing- this case wasn’t about stopping hacking - it was about individual retribution/ compensation - hopefully the winners feel vindicated
Living in the public eye is a poisoned chalice so maybe time for Harry to step out of it

It's nothing to do with the money!

As Harry said in his statement. As his lawyer said in his statement. As the media have stressed.

It's about accountability

Have you actually read about this or listened to news reports? For instance Michael Le Vell was awarded £37,000

Your post just sounds like Let's Knock Harry . He's being praised for carrying through with this and not for the money

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MalagaNights · 15/12/2023 15:01

Phone hacking is was a terrible scandal and many people were hurt and desreve compensation.

What I don't undrestand though is it was obvious to the public it was happening. Everyone knew the Charles tampon story was hacked from an obvioulsy private phone call, but there wasn't public outrage or boycotitng of the papers, evryone kept buying them wanting more scalacious stories on the royals and celebs.

The papers were feeding the public what they wanted and the public didn't care how they got it.

I hope there are criminal charges now. If Piers M lied unedr oath won't that be followed up?

All the senior royals and not just Harry were hacked, he's the only one who persued a trial, the others settled. You could take the view this is very noble of him, or you could take the view he'd be better moving on and stop living his life based on past grievances.

I can't stand him and think he's a self serving whinging idiot but he and no one else desereved to have thiei private lives hacked, but even though he's justifie, he seems to only spend his time now addressing grievances from his awful life.
It's not a good way to live.

themessygarden · 15/12/2023 15:01

is there a list anywhere of the 15 incidents he won and the 18 he lost? I think it’s significant the judge upheld some of them , but still, to lose the majority is not exactly great, so would like to see if one’s he lost are relatively insignificant to not really matter in having a only a partial win.

Angrycat2768 · 15/12/2023 15:04

MrsFinkelstein · 15/12/2023 14:58

@Angrycat2768 who amongst the RF have said they just wanted a simple country life?

I know Harry gave a speech saying he wanted a more "peaceful" life.

I'm not aware of any other Royal saying they want a simple country life - can you point me in that direction please.

I was talking about Harry's perception of his family that they are 'trapped by duty' but there are always stories from people saying 'Oh The Queen would be happy living in the countryside looking after her horses but she is Queen because she has a sense of duty' and how Charles would love to spend his days pottering round the garden. Granted, these are all people like Penny Junor and Ingrid Seward, who have made a living out of being Royal sycophants, but they have all don't the 'Oh how hard I work and lack of privacy' business when they have ample privacy. They Wales's manage to go on numerous private holidays every year which no one knows about.

ceecee32 · 15/12/2023 15:05

Completely off topic post (ish) but watching BBC News who are waiting outside Piers Morgans home for him to make a statement.
It looks like the Christmas wreath on his front door is made from Brussell sprouts

Extensive Phone Hacking by MGN
Roussette · 15/12/2023 15:06

MalagaNights · 15/12/2023 15:01

Phone hacking is was a terrible scandal and many people were hurt and desreve compensation.

What I don't undrestand though is it was obvious to the public it was happening. Everyone knew the Charles tampon story was hacked from an obvioulsy private phone call, but there wasn't public outrage or boycotitng of the papers, evryone kept buying them wanting more scalacious stories on the royals and celebs.

The papers were feeding the public what they wanted and the public didn't care how they got it.

I hope there are criminal charges now. If Piers M lied unedr oath won't that be followed up?

All the senior royals and not just Harry were hacked, he's the only one who persued a trial, the others settled. You could take the view this is very noble of him, or you could take the view he'd be better moving on and stop living his life based on past grievances.

I can't stand him and think he's a self serving whinging idiot but he and no one else desereved to have thiei private lives hacked, but even though he's justifie, he seems to only spend his time now addressing grievances from his awful life.
It's not a good way to live.

But today was a good result, no?

You sound very begrudging of this on the one day he doesn't need to move on. He needs to be applauded and today is a good way to live. For him. I hope he pursues more cases for the benefit of us all

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Myfabby · 15/12/2023 15:06

MrsLeonFarrell · 15/12/2023 14:29

Absolutely look at wider issues around press accountability, how they choose stories, which stories they ignore, maybe have a debate about how the public interest defence should be defined.

But look at wider issues about the whole Harry and Meghan saga? Not unless you are directly looking at how the press uses information and sources in my opinion.

If you write books and produce TV programmes about your personal life the press are going to build a narrative with that information. To generate clicks the press are going to try to create conflict and sides. Let's have a debate about that mechanism around how media focus works and the profits it produces rather than be rude to each other over who has it worse. I can see that is already happening on social media and I find it frustrating.

Charles wrote a book about his life - he gave interviews about the breakdown of his marriage. Is he pilloried to this extent- no? The press decide who their enemy is and do all they can to destroy that person- Catherine Flack is an example.

The RF are all public figures so attract some scrutiny and media interest. You can build a narrative all you like but it should be based on truth and not from a position of malice.

themessygarden · 15/12/2023 15:07

Haha, that’s a funny wreath!

Roussette · 15/12/2023 15:07

themessygarden · 15/12/2023 15:01

is there a list anywhere of the 15 incidents he won and the 18 he lost? I think it’s significant the judge upheld some of them , but still, to lose the majority is not exactly great, so would like to see if one’s he lost are relatively insignificant to not really matter in having a only a partial win.

Are you pleased about those he won?

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Sisterpita · 15/12/2023 15:08

I am please for all the victims and feel really sad for those ruled out of time.

I do hope we get Levinson 2 or at least standards applied to the media. Many journalists do a good job, thoroughly investigating and getting evidence and corroborating evidence. Sadly, some journalists behave appalling and as we now know unlawfully.

It is often the unknown people I feel most sorry for e.g. Milly Dowler’s families, Christopher Jeffries.

The media is racist, homophobic and misogynistic and a lot of the reporting on the RF including H & M is unpleasant.

I can believe OS was a credible witness under oath but, and this is a big but, he has obfuscated and used weasel words to blame two translators rather that admit him or his agents sent an early draft of Endgame for translation.

GrazingSheep · 15/12/2023 15:08

The resounding silence from the Daily Mail on this judgment is astonishing. There is one article very far down their page giving the bare bones of the judgement. No mention of Piers Morgan. They must be finding this a very bitter pill to swallow.

Myfabby · 15/12/2023 15:08

Tontostitis · 15/12/2023 14:06

Harry and Meghan fell under the bus they were trying to drive through their families. They weren't thrown under a bus at all. He lost today on 50% of the cases and recieved £140k settlement after being offered £200k to settle as theyd already admitted guilt. Hopefully he'll donate it to Invictus and start living happily and privately.

😂😂😂

Think this comment belongs on the Fail.

under the bus? such low thinking gutter type journalism.

ThisisgroundcontroltoMajorTom · 15/12/2023 15:09

Lockupyourbiscuits · 15/12/2023 14:46

If Harry had settled for 200k isn’t that a bigger win ? Does the mirror settling mean admitting there was hacking ?
I think he was asking for £320 originally ?
What proportion of his fees is he he still liable for ?
Just wondering what the cost of settling v cost of winning is

He was obviously happy to talk about lots of very personal details in order to bring the case which does seem counterproductive

Luckily these are historical cases so don’t affect any recent revelations- Harry is happy for them to be revealed as long as he benefits financially
-fair enough

Shame about the people who were hacked and got nothing- this case wasn’t about stopping hacking - it was about individual retribution/ compensation - hopefully the winners feel vindicated
Living in the public eye is a poisoned chalice so maybe time for Harry to step out of it

It wasn’t about compensation it was about exposing and proving malpractice and illegality!

Harry has said openly all along that he wrote Spare so that his version was out there, the good and the bad. so that the press would no longer have the reason to keep researching stories about his life and to stop every story being constantly recycled in a different way.

Harry and his family have gone through so much stress and public vilification to bring this case - and people calling him deluded and paranoid - you can read back some of the threads on here about it if you don’t believe me - on top
of which H&M have had to put up with what I believe has been a sustained strategic press campaign against them. Such low damages hardly makes up for all of that!

Lockupyourbiscuits · 15/12/2023 15:09

Roussette · 15/12/2023 15:00

It's nothing to do with the money!

As Harry said in his statement. As his lawyer said in his statement. As the media have stressed.

It's about accountability

Have you actually read about this or listened to news reports? For instance Michael Le Vell was awarded £37,000

Your post just sounds like Let's Knock Harry . He's being praised for carrying through with this and not for the money

I have no idea about the motivation I only queried it as the offer was short of the £320 Harry was asking for so is that part of the decision of not settling - but if the money isn’t part of it I’m sure it will all go to charity

  • we have had an extensive enquiry on hacking which we all agree is despicable
Fulshaw · 15/12/2023 15:09

themessygarden · 15/12/2023 15:01

is there a list anywhere of the 15 incidents he won and the 18 he lost? I think it’s significant the judge upheld some of them , but still, to lose the majority is not exactly great, so would like to see if one’s he lost are relatively insignificant to not really matter in having a only a partial win.

It was agreed that each side could choose half of the sample cases. So they chose 15 each and Harry won all of his.

Lampzade · 15/12/2023 15:09

Roussette · 15/12/2023 15:06

But today was a good result, no?

You sound very begrudging of this on the one day he doesn't need to move on. He needs to be applauded and today is a good way to live. For him. I hope he pursues more cases for the benefit of us all

This

Fulshaw · 15/12/2023 15:11

You don’t have to like Prince Harry to understand that this is a good and important judgement. It’s irrelevant really that it was he who brought it - what matters is that someone did, and they won.

andIsaid · 15/12/2023 15:12

GrazingSheep · 15/12/2023 15:08

The resounding silence from the Daily Mail on this judgment is astonishing. There is one article very far down their page giving the bare bones of the judgement. No mention of Piers Morgan. They must be finding this a very bitter pill to swallow.

I think they should be forced to publish and forced to keep it front page.

There should be a look at press practices.

Especially in todays world when they drive so much hatred towards people.

Roussette · 15/12/2023 15:13

Lockupyourbiscuits · 15/12/2023 15:09

I have no idea about the motivation I only queried it as the offer was short of the £320 Harry was asking for so is that part of the decision of not settling - but if the money isn’t part of it I’m sure it will all go to charity

  • we have had an extensive enquiry on hacking which we all agree is despicable

Cue new thread criticising Harry for not making a public statement that he has given all this money to charity followed by endless outrage about how awful he is!

Luckily many of us on here are just very pleased he has held the gutter press to account for illegal practices

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MrsLeonFarrell · 15/12/2023 15:16

Myfabby · 15/12/2023 15:06

Charles wrote a book about his life - he gave interviews about the breakdown of his marriage. Is he pilloried to this extent- no? The press decide who their enemy is and do all they can to destroy that person- Catherine Flack is an example.

The RF are all public figures so attract some scrutiny and media interest. You can build a narrative all you like but it should be based on truth and not from a position of malice.

I remember the time around the War of the Wales as it was called, Charles has had an extremely difficult time with periods of intense media scrutiny. It may not happen so much now, because apart from anything the press like fresh targets so people don't get bored and stop clicking, but he has been pilloried in his turn and it must have been excruciating for him.

I think we do no one any favours by playing who has it worse. I would hate my private conversations to be in the public domain (Scobie in his latest book mentioned stuff about Charles going back decades which I am sure Charles hoped had been forgotten). I would hate topless photos of me to be published. I would hate the media picking apart everything I did or wore. I would hate stories about anyone I stood next to being my boyfriend or if I stand next to lots of men being a slut (thinking of Taylor Swift in her 20s here to move away from royals)

We need to focus on that, on the culture of the media, and it's not just here but in the US too. Don't let them get away with deflecting us onto who has it worse because to the individual it is devastating regardless of what someone else is going through

ThisisgroundcontroltoMajorTom · 15/12/2023 15:16

ceecee32 · 15/12/2023 15:05

Completely off topic post (ish) but watching BBC News who are waiting outside Piers Morgans home for him to make a statement.
It looks like the Christmas wreath on his front door is made from Brussell sprouts

Well I suppose Brussels sprouts and Piers Morgan are both loved and loathed (mainly the latter) by the British public in similar ways!

I am glad to see that the BBC are there. I was surprised to see that the Daily Politics didn’t mention Harry’s win at all (unless I went to the loo at the wrong moment) and the way the story was covered in an earlier BBC news bulletin seemed rather grudging.

ThisisgroundcontroltoMajorTom · 15/12/2023 15:21

Fulshaw · 15/12/2023 15:11

You don’t have to like Prince Harry to understand that this is a good and important judgement. It’s irrelevant really that it was he who brought it - what matters is that someone did, and they won.

I agree that this is a good and important judgment.

I disagree that it’s irrelevant who brought it -

Harry had deep enough pockets and a very high profile and courage in the face of adversity and that all helps.

The outrage is that the ordinary man in the street who has been adversely affected by hacking would not have got his day in court had Harry and others not made a stand.