Extensive Phone Hacking by MGN

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So... Harry has won his case.

As lawyers are saying now... this is massive. 15 out of 33 accusations of hacking by Harry were upheld as a result of phone hacking and other illegal practices.
Hacking and blagging were even taking place during the Leveson enquiry.

He has won damages of £140,000 plus. And before this thread descends into Harry hate, please think of all the other claimants who have also had their claims upheld and damages awarded to them. They went through hell, medical records hacked and reported on, trackers on cars, phones hacked...

It's not about the money, it's about 'accountability of power'.

Piers Morgan has just come out and slandered people including Harry he’s going to be in big trouble with his big mouth !
Unbelievable !

So no one other than Harry has said they don't want to be in the position they're in?

Good. Unless it's a direct quote I think it's safe to say we have no idea. And there's nothing wrong with people having hobbies outside their "jobs".

Yes as @andIsaid states, this was always about holding the press accountable. It's also partly about Leveson 2.

The fact he refused the settlement offer made a few months ago actually proves it wasn't about money. He got a portion of what he asked because he won on 15 of 33 claims. He does have 114 other claims, that may now proceed. So costs and damages may not be handed over and decided on till that is discussed in January I think it is.

If he had settled, we would not have heard this judgement and the executives named would not now be under the microscope. They had admitted and apologised for one instance of illegal information gathering, and could have offered to make a similar apology again without admitting it all. That would;t have been acceptable to Harry. What he and other claimants wanted, was for all of us to be aware of what happened here. Now we know. Extensive phone hacking. Top staff and executives, and a lawyer, covering it up. Piers Morgan now possibly in trouble for lying under oath. This is the correct way to do this, at a trial, and with a full judgement.

I am not saying anyone has it worse. I simply said you can't say Harry can't complain about the press because he wrote a book. Charles did also..

Interesting you say you'd hate the picking apart of everything. Yet, you are on a thread wondering what the impact of Doria allegedly missing from MM's life could have influenced the woman she's become.

It's also a recurrent theme of yours not to pitch one arm of the RF against another, but I recall you saying MM (a woman who is very slim by any standards ) looked huge in the trousers she wore - with the very next line in contrast saying I think it's sweet that Catherine chose trousers to match with William's whilst he is away.

Wow, this is a doozy

One newspaper even had a “hack off” contest, to see who could hack the most phones in a given period. It was won by a senior executive who has so far escaped justice. About a dozen years ago, I was told that a senior executive on a red-top paper had suggested to the police that there be an amnesty for phone hackers. He knew how widespread and how normal it was. He knew it was systemic, smiled on and made indispensable by bosses, but to my knowledge the police dropped the idea pretty quickly. The bad guys would have got offwithout penalty, and any number of Milly Dowler moments – the hacking of that murdered girl’s phone by the News of the World – would have been buried.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/15/prince-harry-win-against-the-mirror-huge-piers-morgan

Oh no, I totally agree with you. I just meant for the Harry haters they should look past the fact it’s Harry and think about the judgement and what it represents.

Also from The Guardian:

If you have ever wondered why Prince Harry gets such a bad press, consider the context. For Britain’s most popular newspapers, the backstory is terrifying. This is a man on a mission, and while you may say he is tilting at windmills in trying to reconfigure the British media, it will clearly take more than a bit of personal abuse to stop him. The newspapers may or may not be guilty, but the legal costs, let alone the reputational ones, of trying to prove their innocence, and the costs of defending subsequent claims from aggrieved celebrities, will be breathtaking.

I think this is worth repeating for any doubters.

You may not like Prince Harry but his win against the Mirror is huge – and he’s not finished yet

@cakester That last statement yes

It's what the whole thing stands for isn't it? What he has rightly unleashed

I’m sorry you’re not well. Once I got to my early 50’s I started to have a couple of doses of bronchitis every year as well as random chest infections that used to knock me for six. They only stopped when I started having the flu 7 years ago. Maybe it’s something you consider if you don’t already have an annual vaccination?

Fantastic headline by The Guardian:

‘Piers Morgan denies knowing of phone hacking after judge rules he did’

😆

oh Piers Morgan really thinks this is going to go away by repeating the same nasty things about Harry does he? His statement is embarrassing.
old foes of mine with an axe to grind” what an idiot. he needs to get legal advice before speaking about this publicly again.

I always think of the Milly Dowler case when phone hacking is being discussed. Am I wrong in thinking Piers Morgan was very much involved in what went on?

I would like to hear more about all of the others involved in the current judgement. They’ve all been victims and it’s not right that Harry is dominating the outcome of the case. It really isn’t all about him.

No no. I want him to speak publicly. I want him to make a complete arse of himself. I want him to flounce, like he did on GMTV when challenged about hating on Meghan. I want him to implicate himself so badly that - for once - for him, justice is served.

He blocked me years ago on Twitter, I wonder why 😅

Moving from the ruling I can’t understand why someone from the royal family would continue leaving messages on voicemails of others and wouldn’t warn people against leaving messages on theirs
Surely this should have been advised against from a security point of view
Im only referring to the Royals (who had previously had phone calls intercepted )

I would think can you call me back would be sufficient

It's high time a lot of people woke up to how much they're being manipulated by newspapers, social media, etc. The issue today is that if something is repeated often enough and consistently across different platforms, it gets believed. We need to employ critical thinking and be more sceptical.

Piers Morgan is awful. His vendetta against the Duchess of Sussex knows no bounds.

The culture of media definitely needs to change and we the public need to operate far more discretion when we choose our news and entertainment sources that’s for sure.

I do think though that some legitimate questions could be asked of Buckingham Palace and Boris Johnson’s government, at the very least, about how far their reciprocal arrangements with the press went in the past, and how they continue today?

(Practices such as briefing one bit of information to deflect from another for example. All of the things Harry has mentioned.)

And the extent to which, their cooperation with press organisations that have now been found by the High Court to indulge in illegal practices implicates them to any degree by association or not?

I am sure that politicians and BP will say that they have been the victims of phone hacking far more than they benefit from ‘deals’ but nonetheless they have to be extremely judicious about making any Faustian pacts and behave in a way that is far more open and transparent.

If we want to abolish divisiveness and “who has it worse” arguments then we need more trust, and more light shed on these practices, which only comes from more overall transparency.

It's not all about him. And when the case was being held I, and those who followed it, heard exactly what the other claimants were put through in great detail

In fact there's threads on here detailing every single bit of it

The Milly Dowler case was heartbreaking. Her parents were so gracious and private but to have your hopes raised like theirs were, was criminal and despicable

Anyone else wondering if this will influence the case against ANL in January, bearing in mind it'll be decided on a balance of probabilities?

I know it's said the evidence Harry's given so far in that one was lacking and the defence insisted he hadn't been able to prove any of those stories actually came from hacking, but with several publications now found guilty it seems a stretch to claim ANL weren't doing exactly the same

I'm really glad Harry had the strength to do this

I did a lot of (voluntary) campaigning around Leveson but when I realised the majority didn't even care about Milly Dowler's phone being hacked, I felt it was all pointless.

I think the baton has to be carried by people with resources and influence. Even a missing child is just entertainment for the masses. But with people still brave enough to stand up, I'm glad.

Spectacularly missing the point. Very impressive how cloth-eared this is.

Piers Morgan and Rebekah Vardy are very much alike. She’s still convinced the judge got it wrong.

I agree about more transparency in the mechanisms of these media, but can we not pretend that Harry and Meghan don't use the press though? It's normal for people in many areas of public life to try to control the narrative so I don't want to single them out particularly, there are many others who do it. When we argue for change we need to acknowledge that it's not just from one person or group, otherwise the discussion gets deflected into partisanship.

I am convinced though that briefing against people happens far less than is alleged. I suspect that the majority of that sort of thing is the media arguing both sides to extend a story.

That's a great result, not just for Harry but all the other claimants. Hacking was a despicable practice and I'm glad that this has now been formally recognised.

i haven’t heard cloth eared before but I have been called spectacular so it must be true 😀