Omid Scobie Endgame PART 5

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A continuing civilised and enjoyable discussion of all things relating to Endgame. Please keep posts on topic - I do not want to have to invoke Ross Gellar again!

Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4957618-omid-scobie-endgame-part-4?page=1

But like Meghan and to my surprise Harry the US teams had not understood that a lot of the attention was both because of the shiny newness of a new royal couple and about the role itself not the individuals. I’m sure her PR people couldn’t understand why thousands of people coming to see the couple on engagements and cheering for them didn’t translate into celebrity appeal once they left the royal family

oh they knew, they knew exactly what the appeal was. And made a small fortune off of harry and Megan, as they got them to do those interviews, the book etc. .

@MrsFinkelstein I agree it’s from OS and he has a lot to answer for.

Endgame really does seem an appropriate title, but definitely not in the way he intended.

Both stories are lovely. I've always believed that the definition of manners is making someone feel comfortable.

Wow, excellent analysis, @Raincloudsonasunnyday
Especially this: largely disdained, exiled, no means of sustaining themselves financially to the level they need and want, estranged from all family and many friends, having revealed themselves for the unintelligent, not-as-wily-as-they-thought, vainglorious, messed up adults they are. You almost feel sorry for them, but they chose this and actively chose to ignore those knew better.

Imagine being offered the help of an equerry and turning it down??? It's like thumbing one's nose in QEII's face. The mind reels at how arrogant and clueless MM must be. Truly I think both of them are a lot dimmer than originally thought, now that we see their self-propelled rapid decline. Wonder how they will scrounge up money in future.

One wonders why she wanted to be taught be the personality free, stupidly nervous, Stepford Wife, as described by Omid Scobie.

I wonder who the friends of Meghan could be and what comprehension they would have of the Royal family protocol and practices.

Also, was she told that this equerry’s help was being offered because he was a POC or did she assume that?

So it should have been a family member, in fact Catherine who should have offered.

She was offered Sophie as a mentor, wasn't she? Supposedly? Sophie would seem to have been supremely qualified for the role. Though she probably now thinks she dodged a bullet there. Of course Catherine had more than enough on her plate at the time.

Re the Queen having 'the right people around her', I suspect that was a dig at Angela Kelly. H. didn't like her because she stood up to him over the wedding tiara affair. 👍 It's discussed in FF.

The arrogance of thinking, firstly that the Queen wasn't well able to look after herself, and secondly, that he was better able to protect the Queen (If she had needed protecting) than her own husband and daughter, both of whom were more than capable of expressing an opinion.

In other news, Harry has been ordered to pay £50K costs for his failed summary judgment application against the Mail on Sunday. His lawyers are not advising him well.

That's the line pushed on X & Tiktok that I've been seeing today.

It's Catherine who should've been the one helping her: not Sophie, not Camilla, not Lady Hussey, not the Queen's Equerry - Catherine.

Because its always Catherine or Williams fault being the unspoken part.

Or he's not listening, so convinced as he is of the rightness of his cause

Also they knew when Harry and Meghan got engaged that Kate was pregnant and would be on maternity leave when Meghan would be starting official engagements after the wedding.

Given that they're almost the same age, I would expect someone older like Lady Hussey or Sophie would have been a better fit for giving advice and instruction.

I don't ever remembering hearing who mentored Kate or Camilla

Pushed by whom, may I ask? I'm not on either. She just seemed the obvious target, after the criticism against Catherine for not helping M with her mental health. Once again, why is Harry, her husband and constant companion, getting a free pass for failing to help her?

Probably. Hyped up by grandstanding famous friends and would be famous lawyers, no doubt.

By the self-proclaimed Sussex Squad - they constantly look for ways to criticise Catherine. They can't criticise Harry it seems.

Talking about who should've helped Meghan it seems to me that Sophie was the ideal choice. She's pretty much Meghans "equivalent". When he was born Edward was 3rd in line to the throne (as was Harry when he was born). He was the 3rd son of the Monarch and is now brother to the King (very similar to Harry). Sophie had to give up her career shortly after her marriage.

Sophie was very very close to the Queen.

I don't understand why Meghan didn't jump at the chance to get advice from Sophie.

Reportedly this relates to Harry's failure to get the Mail libel case heard without a trial, but since we've learned he didn't have to lodge any money upfront - as those living abroad are usually expected to do - I wonder if ANL will get the money?

That's summary judgment. You apply to knock out the other party's case (claim or defence), and the successful party wins automatically. I imagine the costs will be carried into the next stage, which will be full trial sometime in the summer. The summary judgment opining that the MoS has a good chance of defending libel on the basis of fair comment puts them in the driving seat. I think the MoS's lawyers will be busy getting a Part 36 settlement offer sent off to Harry's lawyers asap (probably inviting him to drop his case and pay the costs). It's a great mechanism for crystallising the further costs risks of going forward to trial.

And let's not forget the rather damning comments of the judge!
If it goes to trial it means they probably have proof of the timelines and can prove Harry only offered to pay after the fact , definitely a face saving tactic!

I don't think Harry appreciated the reason royals didn't get too involved in court proceedings is because there are always receipts!
And no court rules on 'feelings' or just because he said so!

50000 just for defending the honest opinions defence plus his own costs, can only imagine what the rest of the costs are already, never mind what the will end up as.

Sky news were reporting it had to be paid by 29th Dec this year… I’m not sure how costs work though, and if it can be deferred

Can Harry afford all the solicitors’ costs? Can you imagine if the bailiffs were sent in? What’s the programme? Can’t Pay Won’t Pay?

if he doesn’t pay by 29th, the MoS will have to apply to get it enforced. I think they might try to roll it into a speedy settlement.

I don’t think Harry would accept a settlement, he’s very ego-driven. Especially as he criticised William for doing so.

Sorry, being dim here but WHY does Harry have to pay £50K?