Omid Scobie Endgame PART 5

[Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar]

A continuing civilised and enjoyable discussion of all things relating to Endgame. Please keep posts on topic - I do not want to have to invoke Ross Gellar again!

Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4957618-omid-scobie-endgame-part-4?page=1

Thank you

This is a common theme, William being painted to not have lost his mother as a child himself.

I think regards the interview, that if Diana only gave that interview because of lies and that she wouldn't have if they hadn't created false documents etc then it is right to not want it shared.

This is our state broadcaster that resorted to such devious ways. We paid Bashirs salary. It really is a scandal but this heading towards a pivot.

Yes @Puzzledandpissedoff previous behaviours should also be considered.

Whilst we can all feel sympathy for Harry over the loss of his mother, the narrative over the last few years seems to have completely ignored the fact that William was also bereaved. I think he has made some very good points about the Bashir interview, because it did almost certainly prompt Diana to ditch her security. For OS to trash one bereaved son, who is simply offering his own opinion, strikes me as very unfair.

This is our state broadcaster that resorted to such devious ways

It is indeed, but bearing in mind their behaviour over Savile is it really a surprise?

I had to smile when some yesterday linked that they've been ordered to release their messages with Bashir ... if that ever happens in full I'll be absolutely amazed

Here’s hoping that that book finds its way to my Christmas book pile rather than the other two.

My sibling likes to give a wee book as a present. Mostly funny. There is funny haha though and funny wtf.

Like I won’t be pink and puffy enough after the cooking… 🌱

On mentors, echoing what was posted on the previous thread, I think Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton was key in guiding and mentoring both William and Harry, and idc Kate for many years. And he was a former equerry (to HMQM, not ER II) before becoming private secretary to the Wales princes (as they then were).

I think his role shows how senior staff/courtiers are greatly valued. Not least as his son was a page and William and Kate's wedding, and he is godfather to Prince George

I haven't read the Bowers book.

Can someone who has detail the main narratives please?

Basically that Meghan is a conniving social climber. I wasn’t convinced by it really. I found the actual substance of the book (stories from her friends, coworkers, etc) was way more compelling than the actual narrative he was trying to weave.

@BreadInCaptivity If you want to get a flavour, there's a really fab YouTube channel called The Vintage Read. She's done a few videos on Revenge, and compared the accounts therein to the contents of other books, including Spare. She also covers lots of other royal and show business books. Always very interesting.

As I've stated on one of the previous threads, we've lost my parents before my siblings were adults.
Even now, 27 and 24 years later respectively, my brother gets pity "Oh, the poor boy, lost his parents so young", this was also often used by my gran to excuse his sometimes very volatile behaviour. And, of course, once my brother sussed that out, he played it to his advantage.
Something neither my sister or I get or ever got (nor did we want that). But we lost our parents, too.

I think this is what is applied to Harry and William here. Harry gets the "Oh, poor little lamb", whereas William gets - to an extent - forgotten about. Despite the fact that he lost his mother under the very same circumstances. And is probably the only person who knows exactly what Harry went through, in the immediate aftermath with the media circus and in the longer run.
It must have been traumatising for both of them, but strangely only one of them seems to be playing the "poor little me"-card.

This is halfway decent, @BreadInCaptivity - though really it's best to read the whole thing and if santa doesn't come up with the goods you can get it on ebay from 99p upwards:

https://instaread.co/insights/history-political-social-science-biographies/revenge-book/fj73i6xoa4

Quite. @Hbh17

It is despicable that it has been made about one person. Both men lost their mother at a young age.

It isn’t a surprise that the corporation acted in the way they did and it was a disgrace that allegations were made in order to encourage Diana to agree to the interview/kittle her up to go nuclear etc.

You would think that some would therefore be solidly against spurious allegations after seeing the damage they cause.

Seems not. 🌱

Thanks all for the Revenge info 🌹

Just been on X and the shit has really hit the fan about Lieutenant Colonel Nana Kofi Twumasi-Ankrah ( late Queen’s equerry ) and Meghan’s ( alleged) reasons for refusing his help .
How will she wriggle out of that one ?

@ArcaneWireless Once in Awhile, you need something funny to keep you going over Xmas. I'm imagining you unwrapping Endgame and chucking it into the sprout water! If you do get it, please do share with the class, would love to hear your take on it.

Basically that Meghan knew exactly what she wanted and Harry was an enabler. The first part is evidence from Thomas Markle snr, so you may question it's veracity. However, Bower does have compelling evidence about her early life/young adulthood from others as well. She certainly had to hustle and work hard to put herself out there - getting pieces in magazines, fashion shoots, bit parts, pushing for reality shows etc. It is interesting about her arrival in the UK in the summer of 2016, and how that panned out. Her agent tried many avenues to get her promoted. She does come across as shrewd and savvy and prepared to work hard for what she got.

I absolutely will.

It’ll be dissected more than some of the posts on these threads. After all - everyone’s a critic. Apparently.

A new version of listen with Mother if you will. Any name can be inserted of course. 🌱

Forgot to @Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar 🌱

X is really harsh though. There's some really disgusting things written about bot the Sussexes and The Wales.

She does come across as shrewd and savvy and prepared to work hard for what she got.

I agree, it is impressive what she has achieved, so it must bite to have not got the top prize.

I've read about a third of Revenge but I'm shocking at wandering off track and leaving things unfinished! It's actually quite nice to Meghan in a lot of ways and not a hatchet job by any means. Tom bower is a very readable author and very well researched. He says it was Camilla that made a jokey comment about the future child's hair and skin tone, so not sure why KC and C are mentioned now? I also watch Vintage Reads as she is so nice and comfortable to listen to.

Agree with @Rockybooboo about X - there is no room for nuance or understanding. It is just complete polarisation of opinions.

It seems as if she was led to believe things about her role in the RF by Harry. He seems to have promoted her as another Diana, and there seems to have been ignorance/misunderstanding about what the her role could be, or possibly entail. Bower recounts that after the engagement, Meghan contacted various purveyors of luxury goods for gratis items. She was preventing from doing so, and genuinely didn't understand why she couldn't.

Yes, @rosyglowcondition - it's certainly well researched, and credible.
When she came to London she tried to get on a reality show (Made in Chelsea I think), then she auditioned for a cooking show. She networked very actively with various contacts, hence her meeting with Piers Morgan.
She was certainly no naive young woman who didn't know who Harry was!

@RecoIIectionsMayVary

As Alan Partridge would say ‘a-haaaaaaaaaa’.

Or Noel could go ‘deal or no deal - now you can look in the box’ 📦 🌱