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Omid Scobie Endgame PART 5

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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 11/12/2023 10:56

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LaurieStrode · 21/12/2023 09:45

Cosywintertime · 21/12/2023 08:36

Goodness that article didn’t age well.

My hope for “Archetypes” is that people come out thinking, “Oh! She’s a real person! She laughs and asks questions and approaches things with curiosity.

instead what came out was she didn’t do the interviews herself, apart from the big 3, let someone else do them all, then recorded her voice saying the same thing to be dubbed in and pretended she did.

people came out thinking she was a disingenious, lazy, only interested in the famous, and a grifter.

Wow, did she really do that?!

As a former journalist, professional interviewer, I'd say that is off-the-charts laziness.

garlicandsapphires · 21/12/2023 10:43

OMG
And the blowback if she’d referred to THE QUEEN??
I am NOT a fan but I’m even less of a fan of this ridiculous nitpicking.

EdithWeston · 21/12/2023 10:53

garlicandsapphires · 21/12/2023 10:43

OMG
And the blowback if she’d referred to THE QUEEN??
I am NOT a fan but I’m even less of a fan of this ridiculous nitpicking.

Is total speculation.

The norm, amongst the Queen's DC and their spouses is to use either the formal or the family term depending on context. I'm pretty certain the other DGC do too.

I hadn't actually noticed that MM has done something a little different. And I suspect that if the difference had been the other way (always formal, never family) it would have been noticed too.

So I suspect that if she did not want to stand out, then doing as all the others do is the safest plan. Of course, its possible that she actually wants to be different

Cosywintertime · 21/12/2023 11:08

LaurieStrode · 21/12/2023 09:45

Wow, did she really do that?!

As a former journalist, professional interviewer, I'd say that is off-the-charts laziness.

Yes, some of the interviewees confirmed they never even met her. She did the three big ones, like Venus Williams and the rest were done by someone else , she has refused to comment on it.

CallmeSand · 21/12/2023 11:13

https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-oprah-interview-called-queen-after-prince-philip-hospitalized/

It's these kind of statements that reveal how much they think of themselves and how super thoughtful they are saying that

Meghan:
"This morning, I woke up earlier than H, and saw a note from someone on our team in the U.K. saying that the Duke of Edinburgh had gone to the hospital," Meghan, 39, told Oprah. "But I just picked up the phone and I called the Queen just to check in. "That's what we do," she explained, "being able to default to not having to every moment go, 'Is that appropriate?' "

Harry:
Harry, 36, reiterated his wife's statements, adding, "For so many in my family, what they do is there's a level of control in that because they're fearful of what the papers are going to say about them."
"Whereas with us it was just like, just be yourself," the Duke of Sussex said. "Just be genuine. Just be authentic. If you get it wrong, get it wrong, if you get it right you get it right."

Yup I guess the rest of the RF didn't bother asking about Philip.🙄

Meghan Markle Says She Called the Queen After Prince Philip Was Hospitalized: 'That's What We Do'

Meghan Markle told Oprah that she reached out to Queen Elizabeth after learning that Prince Philip was hospitalized

https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-oprah-interview-called-queen-after-prince-philip-hospitalized/

Cosywintertime · 21/12/2023 11:22

CallmeSand · 21/12/2023 11:13

https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-oprah-interview-called-queen-after-prince-philip-hospitalized/

It's these kind of statements that reveal how much they think of themselves and how super thoughtful they are saying that

Meghan:
"This morning, I woke up earlier than H, and saw a note from someone on our team in the U.K. saying that the Duke of Edinburgh had gone to the hospital," Meghan, 39, told Oprah. "But I just picked up the phone and I called the Queen just to check in. "That's what we do," she explained, "being able to default to not having to every moment go, 'Is that appropriate?' "

Harry:
Harry, 36, reiterated his wife's statements, adding, "For so many in my family, what they do is there's a level of control in that because they're fearful of what the papers are going to say about them."
"Whereas with us it was just like, just be yourself," the Duke of Sussex said. "Just be genuine. Just be authentic. If you get it wrong, get it wrong, if you get it right you get it right."

Yup I guess the rest of the RF didn't bother asking about Philip.🙄

Doesn’t say if the queen took the call though, but she’s boasting there. Boasting she could call the queen whenever she felt like it. Which I doubt was true. She could call and ask to speak to the queen, sure.

IcedPurple · 21/12/2023 11:35

Cosywintertime · 21/12/2023 11:22

Doesn’t say if the queen took the call though, but she’s boasting there. Boasting she could call the queen whenever she felt like it. Which I doubt was true. She could call and ask to speak to the queen, sure.

You don't just 'pick up the phone' and call a Head of State. All of her calls would be carefully screened. Maybe Philip, Charles and her other children had a direct number for her, but I doubt anyone else did.

Cosywintertime · 21/12/2023 11:58

IcedPurple · 21/12/2023 11:35

You don't just 'pick up the phone' and call a Head of State. All of her calls would be carefully screened. Maybe Philip, Charles and her other children had a direct number for her, but I doubt anyone else did.

Even then she wasn’t running round with a mobile phone glued to her hip. The calls were screened and would be put through if she was available, Megan was just bigging herself up, that she could call the queen whenever she fancied just to check in.

like much of what they say, it’s a version of the truth. She absolutely could pick up the phone and call the palace and ask to speak to th4 queen any time she pleased. What is unsaid is a member of staff would answer, screen the call, ask what it was about, and the queen would decide if she was available and if she should take it.

megans words are picked carefully, she doesn’t say and she spoke to her etc, she simply said she made the call and why.

IcedPurple · 21/12/2023 12:01

She absolutely could pick up the phone and call the palace and ask to speak to th4 queen any time she pleased

Any member of the public can call 'the palace'. Doesn't mean we'd be put through!

Cosywintertime · 21/12/2023 12:08

IcedPurple · 21/12/2023 12:01

She absolutely could pick up the phone and call the palace and ask to speak to th4 queen any time she pleased

Any member of the public can call 'the palace'. Doesn't mean we'd be put through!

Exactly…

Theunamedcat · 21/12/2023 12:16

lepapillon · 21/12/2023 09:40

How does Harry refer to Meghan? Does he tend to say her name, or call her 'my wife'?

I'm now also wondering how Kate and William refer to each other & other royals. I suppose they don't usually do these sorts of interviews where they're talking about themselves?

In interviews I've heard him call her megs

I think think William and Katherine use names too but I've only ever seen them talking to children and they use first name no title I heard Katherine on the news asking a child what's your name then saying I'm Katherine this is William but honestly I don't watch them often enough to know if it's a pattern

HonoriaLucastaDelagardie · 21/12/2023 13:36

Yup I guess the rest of the RF didn't bother asking about Philip.

Other members of the RF probably had a personal phone call or message to tell them that Philip had been admitted to hospital. They probably even knew in advance that it was a possibility. They didn't wake up to a note from 'someone in our team in the UK' (Who probably saw it on the news).

Raincloudsonasunnyday · 21/12/2023 14:22

CallmeSand · 21/12/2023 11:13

https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-oprah-interview-called-queen-after-prince-philip-hospitalized/

It's these kind of statements that reveal how much they think of themselves and how super thoughtful they are saying that

Meghan:
"This morning, I woke up earlier than H, and saw a note from someone on our team in the U.K. saying that the Duke of Edinburgh had gone to the hospital," Meghan, 39, told Oprah. "But I just picked up the phone and I called the Queen just to check in. "That's what we do," she explained, "being able to default to not having to every moment go, 'Is that appropriate?' "

Harry:
Harry, 36, reiterated his wife's statements, adding, "For so many in my family, what they do is there's a level of control in that because they're fearful of what the papers are going to say about them."
"Whereas with us it was just like, just be yourself," the Duke of Sussex said. "Just be genuine. Just be authentic. If you get it wrong, get it wrong, if you get it right you get it right."

Yup I guess the rest of the RF didn't bother asking about Philip.🙄

These are words from the horse's mouth, and they speak volumes.

"But I just picked up the phone and I called the Queen just to check in."

Nobody just picked up the phone and called the Queen. Nobody. There were a few landlines which, if they rang, might have been picked up by HMQ if she were there and wanted to be disturbed. She was able to call out; calls in were routed through an operator. Some people will have had the extension: private secretaries, this or that advisor, a child, maybe even a grandchild. For Meghan to say this out loud, on TV, is Meghan wanting to tell a story and make a point about herself: I contacted the Queen when her husband had been admitted to hospital. I humanized the situation. I'm normal and relatable and modern. They're not.

This is also one of the rare occasions when Meghan called HMQ "the Queen". Of course, this is because it suits her to do so in recounting this story of closeness to the monarch and her humazing them. In this instance, calling HMQ "the Queen" works to bring the monarch down to her level, and to elevate Meghan to I-have-her-phone-number closeness to a monarch. In instances where that's not possible, where Meghan is on the receiving end, Harry's relatives are ALWAYS referred to as "his father", "his mother", "his brother", "his granny" etc.

"That's what we do," she explained, "being able to default to not having to every moment go, 'Is that appropriate?' "

That's what we do: as though there's a long history of relationships which have enabled a personality/identity to be formed within this institution. True for him, not for her. But through marriage she's able to piggy-back off him (seeing as the words came from her) in a joint intention to set out their stall by opposition to the RF's. That is how they do things, and this is how we do things: we're level, just on different playing fields. And I'm doing this interview to tell you that between them and us, I'm with you, the people, on your playing field. I'm the one you really need to look up to because, like Diana, I'm the only one who really gets you - I'm just like you (but better because I'm royal). Harry will be along in a minute to tell you that when he met me, that's what he saw in me: that I have that common touch that his mother had. That I should be the queen of people's hearts, just like she was.

Not having to every moment go, 'Is that appropriate': this is the key. You SHOULD have to go at every moment "is that appropriate". Not because the person in question was the Queen, not because you might think the phones are tapped, not because you think the press might write something. Because you're not the center of attention, things aren't always about you, this wasn't about you. It was about an elderly woman coming to the end of a long marriage, with 4 children/4 children-in-law/8 grandchildren/however many grandchildren-in-law/however many great-grandchildren/ counselors and advisors/ a responsibility to Parliament for private family affairs/ etc etc, coming to the point where the writing was on the wall for her husband, an event which would have repercussions for the country. She absolutely SHOULD have asked herself "is it appropriate for this woman to hear from a granddaughter-in-law she's known for 3 years at this point in time, or should I send a message through one of her aides; or perhaps wake my husband up and let him take the reins?". Meghan has told everyone clearly what she thinks of herself, a hierarchy that she chose to marry into, and her standing in it. There's plenty of other supporting 'evidence' (wrong word, can't think of the right one): it's appropriate to pick up the phone and "just check in" with the Queen, but apparently it's not appropriate to return your wedding and engagement rings to your ex-husband in person; it's not appropriate to talk to your elderly father when you think he's betrayed you; etc etc. "Appropriate" means "appropriate FOR MY BENEFIT".

"Whereas with us it was just like, just be yourself," the Duke of Sussex said. "Just be genuine. Just be authentic. If you get it wrong, get it wrong, if you get it right you get it right."

This is where it all went wrong. Harry should know better. He should know that "authentic" doesn't mean just saying what you think because it's what you think and therefore must be real and true and valuable and relevant or interesting or worthwhile. He should know that if you get it wrong, there will be consequences. He should know that being yourself isn't what's required at all time and in all situations in that world (or indeed any world!). But he married a woman who fuels his paranoia and insecurities with California-style glib aphorisms and verbiage, presented with absolute confidence like the gospel truth, descended from heaven like rain kissing the sunny Pacific-lapped earth, onto people who believe that they hold a - the only! - higher truth (this is almost every LA-dweller I've ever met, incidentally - it's cultural). The sordid reality, as Harry is no doubt finding out, is that this gospel (like every preceding Cali cult) is pretty icing on a rotten cake made of greed, money, vanity, hubris, and alllll the vices. They all know their hypocrisy and they're all aware of their duplicity, it's just idiot Harry who fell for Instagram version of it.

Raincloudsonasunnyday · 21/12/2023 14:24

(I should add that my only interest in Meghan and Harry is the hypocritical Californian angle (if that's not clear 😂). I have to deal with so many of them in my daily life here on the east coast of the US, and they are the bane of my existence. I'm an anti-monarchist Brit, but also an anti-hypocrite, and in Meghan and Harry both are entwined. An interesting case study for me!)

Lockupyourbiscuits · 21/12/2023 15:29

I’m thinking maybe she/ he did pick up the phone and wasn’t put through to the queen

Maybe they were cross at being blocked- I doubt Harry had trouble before - so
they decided to add a few racists

why would you ring up to offer sympathy then kick that person in the teeth

I think she put the story out because it had a grain of truth

lepapillon · 21/12/2023 15:57

@Raincloudsonasunnyday very astute analysis!

Cosywintertime · 21/12/2023 16:09

I agree , she was trying to say she was equal to the queen and could just call her as she pleased. Hence why she stated Harry was away, so folks know it’s her that could do that.

same as when Harry said he wanted to make sure the queen had the right people round her. Which is so utterly offensive. Firstly the queen was of sound mind until the day she died. Harry was never in a position to decide who was round the queen. He was not above her to make that decision, and it was the queen herself who decided who was round her, possibly Charles, Anne, Edward, to a lesser extent William, but at no stage was Harry given any say in who was round the queen. He had absolutely no authority there. But he was trying to big himself up to say who was round the queen was his decision.

also the same as when they left and said they would collaborate with the queen. An idea she quickly kicked into the long grass. As every single member of the public who read it knew she would. No one collaborated with the queen. She was the queen. They were trying to put themselves on her level. Equals.

and then calling their daughter Lilibet, an arse licking gesture as opposed to one of respect, and I doubt very much she was delighted.

MaturingCheeseball · 21/12/2023 16:12

That was one of their worst moves, imo, the Lilibet name.

Raincloudsonasunnyday · 21/12/2023 16:22

I actually lol-ed when I read about the Lilibet name. Elizabeth would have been a tribute. The nickname, while she was still alive, was next-level!

ManonDe · 21/12/2023 16:52

Raincloudsonasunnyday · 21/12/2023 16:22

I actually lol-ed when I read about the Lilibet name. Elizabeth would have been a tribute. The nickname, while she was still alive, was next-level!

Lilibet Diana no less.

Talk about beating people over the head with a cosh to emphasise your vicinity with the RF. I felt a bit sorry for Doria if they were 'so into family' that she was not mentioned.

It was - at best- crass - IMO.

Maireas · 21/12/2023 16:53

It's Princess Lilibet, don't forget!😂

lepapillon · 21/12/2023 16:57

Yes, what were they thinking? It is incredible that no one advised them against it.

MeandBobbyMcGoo · 21/12/2023 17:07

@Raincloudsonasunnyday i'd read your book if you ever write one! Great analysis!

Maireas · 21/12/2023 17:10

lepapillon · 21/12/2023 16:57

Yes, what were they thinking? It is incredible that no one advised them against it.

Do you get the impression that either of them listen to advice?.🙄

Raincloudsonasunnyday · 21/12/2023 17:11

Maireas · 21/12/2023 16:53

It's Princess Lilibet, don't forget!😂

Princess Lilibet Diana 😲

Holy moly. Poor kid. She will never be able the shed the House of Windsor mantle. What a hypocrite Harry is.

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