Omid Scobie Endgame PART 5

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A continuing civilised and enjoyable discussion of all things relating to Endgame. Please keep posts on topic - I do not want to have to invoke Ross Gellar again!

Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4957618-omid-scobie-endgame-part-4?page=1

Exactly, well said!

It's going to gall them, watching the event. With even Camilla's kids there this year.

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Anyway. I wish they were at Sandringham this. Heist as because you can guarantee someone would get them this.

It shows the difference between now and then, 4 years ago, neither did Megan, but now she does.and that event was embarrassing for her. 4 years ago it was inconceivable that she’d be moved along like that.

I still can’t get my head around that express article though, that they don’t understand they don’t get deals because of how they are viewed, but think the royals are to blame and there is a vendetta against

none of it has registered, from South Park to being called grifters, to the public dismay over their behaviour, the poor sales of endgame, none of it has registered with them, they think the only reason they aren’t still as popular and getting lucrative deals is the royals are waging a vendetta.

its utterly deluded behaviour .

That’s an incredible bit of autocorrect there, but I reckon “heist” is a Freudian slip.

I think Catherine was trained to do the job and not look at the cameras clicking away, when she was meeting people/opening fetes et cetera, as the event was about THEM, not her. Apparently it was how the late Queen operated. Of course, they would both look at the camera for a formal photograph!

Meghan's experience as an actress would have taught her to look at the camera. I have no idea whether she was given advice about not doing that when she was on royal duties.

Ah some confusion maybe, we are referring to the video of,her at the power of women thing, it’s actually a specific red carpet thing where they stop and have their photo taken in front of a back drop advertising the event. They stay for about a min and then move on. As it is a line of celebs coming through to do the same thing, they all take their turn, and there is a queue.

megan stayed far posing too long when it was her turn . She was supposed to stand and pose, that wasn’t the issue, just she stood posing For so long she backed the line up and the organisers had to request she be moved on. She then initially refused to move, kept posing, and then fake smiled and moved on.

neither Megan or Catherine do that as royals, none of them do, it’s very much just a red carpet celeb thing to walk along the red carpet/stop pose in front of photographers, get their pic taken, move on.

Did she really stop for that long? I think the longest clip of that I've seen is about 32 seconds, which is hardly acres of time.

Clearly yes, all in, as she moved along the line. Don’t think there is a video of her first walking up there and moving along it?

Yes in spite of this if reports are to be believed, they expect to be celebrating Xmas with the RF , all forgiven and water under the bridge. It’s very confusing.

I see Harry has just won £140,000 in the phone hacking case.

That doesn’t seem very much . Did William not receive £1m + ?

Yes, which he gave to charity.

Weird, he sought 3 times as much, he’s made a rather gloating statement about validation and the battle continues. Didn’t make any statement after he was told to pay all 48k last week for his own mistruths on paying for his security.

odd that.

Thing is this win feels less victorious and less impactful because of all the drama he has created with his attacks and lies elsewhere. Piers was able to deny that he was involved in hacking and then rant away at Harry, he wouldn't have had such ammo if Harry were someone who acts with integrity. Meanwhile, Harry's statement felt plain empty, the words meant nothing because he is such an infamous liar and hypocrite.

This win should have felt like something but really it felt like nothing. The vile PM should have got his comeuppance but instead he's had ample ammo for counterattacking.

Everything's a bit of a mess at the mo!

Anyone and everyone who has been phone hacked, and is able to prove it within the rules of evidence and relevant statutes, deserve their court wins. It doesn't matter whether you like them or not. And to be honest, it doesn't matter whether what was hacked was a conversation about what you are having for dinner or something altogether more serious. Hacking and any privacy violation of this nature is disgusting.

I don't think these cases should be heard in the civil court because of the costs consequences to the claimants. These cases relate to such a unique set of circumstances, at a particular time of unprecedented technological change and ignorance of how those technologies worked amongst the vast majority of people using them. IMO, a special tribunal should have been set up to hear these cases.

Costs follow the cause, so the losers will bear the other side's costs. PH won't recover all of his costs and neither will MGN, because they both won and lost heads of claim. I've seen someone mentioning an offer of settlement that MGN made to PH. That was presumably done under a procedure called Part 36. If PH did not beat the settlement offer in his court awarded damages, he'll need to pay the other side's costs incurred from the date that is 21 days after the settlement offer was made. I don't know when the settlement offer was made, but if it was after the actual trial (which in itself would be odd), then the costs consequences of turning down that offer won't be huge for PH, because the parties' solicitors won't have been running up huge legal bills post trial. Either way, this is PH's crusade, and if it not about the money but the vindication, then he has won whatever the costs (which he can well afford). I feel much sorrier for the two women who lost their cases, who may end up with a significant legal bill.

I wonder if Harry will even break even? Will he donate is Judgement to Charity as William did?

Ah, I see. Thanks. There isn't enough time in a day to read every thread through completely. I'll have to give Mumsnet up.

I agree with you op, including the sympathy for the women, who lost their cases. I find the hacking / unlawful information gathering abhorrent.

Idk if PM knew what was going on. But jeepers, he didn’t mince his words there.

I saw the MM red carpet video with sound, the photographers were continuing to call her name and ask her to look at them. It did seem like she stayed a bit long but I also thought it was stupid that this was publicized.

I agree that anyone who had their phone hacked by tabloid journalists and whose life was damaged as a result deserves their day in court and any monies they win. If PH was hacked (and I don't doubt he was, given the scale of phone hacking in the early 2000s), then he deserves to win on the claims that have been proven.

As for Piers Morgan - well it's predictable that he came out fighting - I wouldn't expect anything else and there is plenty of bad blood between him, Harry and Meghan, so he was always going to take the opportunity to stick it to Harry if he got the chance. However, I happened to be listening to R4 just after lunch and the World at One was interviewing Shami Chakrabarti who said that it's been proven that Piers Morgan lied to the Leveson Inquiry (the inquiry into phone hacking). I don't know the details, but Morgan is far from innocent he likes to portray himself as.

@cocolocopocos since your post follows mine directly I'm not sure if some of your post was picking up things I said or if you were merely sharing your opinion and it happened to be after my post. Just to be clear, I completely agree with you regarding privacy and the media invasion of it. I have sympathy with all the complainants, I'm not a particular fan of H at the moment but he has been wronged and I sympathise about the impact this has had on his life and his wellbeing. But what has been also demonstrated today is that what he has done elsewhere is now overshadowing everything that happens really.

By the by, I wonder if he & CD would have stayed together if there wasn't the additional pressure brought about by the hacking and media intrusion? If so, I wonder what path his life would have taken.

That statement from Piers Morgan is shocking in how openly aggressive it is about and towards Harry. He sounds petulant and indignant in the first part about his editorship, but it’s personal about Harry. There are plenty of Piers Morgans in the world, each one as nasty as the next. But you know where you stand with them: you know they are lower than you imagine, that they deal in muck none of us would want to handle.

Harry’s statement about dragons, the Met Police, the stock exchange, every single authority etc is shocking in how deluded and arrogant he is, how pitiful his grasp of life beyond palace walls (and how little he cares about it). It’s unbelievably hypocritical and utterly miserable that a spoilt brat such as he should take up any newsprint with this personal grievance (I is personal, post-Leveson). When you think about this and then his pitch to Spotify that they line up Putin and the Pope for him to interview about childhood trauma, he really is an embarrassment to his father. Just cringe, cringe, cringe.

I do believe Harry has what it takes to hold onto this anger and grudge against British tabloids for the rest of his life. He’s going to go on and on and on, thinking he’s fighting a moral fight. He’s like a little puppy trying to slay his owner’s shadow, yapping and thwacking away, thinking he’s doing a good job protecting his owner. Time to move on, I think. There are grown ups in the room.

Oh my, what did he say about the stock exchange, that seems a bit random?

Why are these posts about Piers Morgan? This is about Endgame? There's a thread about phone hacking. Or have the rules changed.