Omid Scobie Endgame PART 5

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A continuing civilised and enjoyable discussion of all things relating to Endgame. Please keep posts on topic - I do not want to have to invoke Ross Gellar again!

Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4957618-omid-scobie-endgame-part-4?page=1

Variety's 'Women in Power' event 🙄

Princess Anne is getting the same treatment as the Queen did - she's become some sort of national treasure purely by still being alive. It baffles me really - the public seem to harbour great dislike or even hate for people until they're old. Then it's 'aww look, the nation's Granny'.

Bloody hell - if that's true that is really alarming for them. It looked pretty desperate anyway - her hogging the red carpet when she had no discernible reason for being there and being moved along by a flunky - but if she wasn't even invited that makes it even worse! It looks like WME is desperate to get her seen anywhere, at any event, however irrelevant. That's embarrassing.

I think it’s more complex than that. As in the case of the Queen, Princess Anne, Sophie Wessex and arguably nowadays the Princess of Wales, have not put a foot wrong for years, keep their opinions to themselves, quietly get on with their work and generally come across as hard working and uncomplaining, a trait that many British people like and admire, hence their popularity. Sadly the men in the royal family seem to get away with not being held to quite such stringent standards.

And I should add that this sort of public perception literally takes years to build, hence some not enjoying the rewards of their approach until they are quite old!

I agree with you about how the public finds it easier to like old ladies. The Queen Mum is a good example of that- I mean what did she ever do apart from visit the East End in the war and smile a lot? - and yet there was a time when she was more popular than the queen.

However I think you’re being unfair to Princess Anne. She has earned her popularity by doing many many public engagements and a lot of boring charity work over the years, having achievements of her own in equestrianism that transcended being royal (‘the only one who doesn’t know I’m royal is the horse’), bringing up two down to earth children with no fuss and being generally more in tune with the times than other royals- the riding in the coronation procession in a role that has traditionally been very male was a little thing but characteristic. She is obviously perfectly capable of being a twat too but she always gives a sense of being at ease with herself despite not fitting the traditional royal women mould. I also love the fact she has utterly refused to be a clothes horse - I don’t know if she still does it but she used to wear decades old outfits to engagements no matter what the current fashion.

I don't want to derail so won't say any more. Apart from the nations granny was still hoarding secret wealth for her family during a massive COL crisis, which was reported but nobody cared really.

Now that's what good consistent PR does - H and M could do with some of that thinking.

Sophie Wessex did more than put a foot wrong (fake sheikh) and she was utterly pilloried - unfit for royal life, disgrace to the nation etc and should never represent Her Maj ever again. It took about 20 years (and complete severance of half in/half out at the very start) for them to get any good recognition.

Camilla was the "most hated woman in Britain"

And Anne told the press to fuck off, so they got their revenge with piss poor coverage for years.

Edward is the only example I can think of of the press doing it to one of the men (quitting the marines, the Really "Useless" Company, "It's a Royal Knockout" etc all compounded by Sophie's scandal)

Netflix knows that H&M need Netflix rather than Netflix needing them.

I might conjecture that they also need the RF more than the RF need them!

They really are deep into victim/conspiracy territory if they think that the RF are stopping deals.

Re them doing it to men, they were pretty vile to Charles for a long time.

I suspect it's more about the age group Dior are targeting ads at than the internal relationships of the royals. Lots of people wear the same brand even if they don't get on,, Catherine and Meghan have fairly recently iirc. I can't see Camilla rejecting Dior just because Harry flashed a label!

I’m watching The Crown and they are at the point Blair was more popular than the RF, how things change.
I do remember the queen being very unpopular in the late 90s, again how things change.

It was the woman in power thing, or whatever it was called. And that video clip disturbed me

megan must have stood posing for some considerable time for someone to have to step in and move her on. They don’t do that easily.

But it was Megan’s reaction, she kept a rictus smile on her face, and stayed posing, ignoring it, then turned to the woman and fake laughed, it was clear she was milking that moment for all it was worth and for as long as she could. She desperately wanted to stay in front of the cameras and he photographed. Then the photos after of her with some powerful people, clearly leaked by her.

it’s astonishing they are reduced to this now. And that they basically think the royals are to blame.

Ironically, Andrew was the only one to get good press, probably because he was a Falklands hero. I also think that Sarah Ferguson took the brunt of their divorce blame (when it seems to have been a mutual and amicable split).

I saw that clip and didn't think it looked like she was being moved on. To me, it was a woman holding out her arm to embrace MM, to which MM reciprocated and greeted the woman.

I was reading an article in The Times about mistakes in The Crown and this was mentioned. It isn't true that Blair was ever more popular than the Queen. I think the actual stats were 60% vs 80%.

I stand corrected ! Obviously I am not looking in the right places !

I'm pretty sure the woman on the red carpet with MM at the Variety event was her own assistant. She used to be on Suits as well, iirc.

Yes, garlic&sapphires, it was not an admirer but, as MyMilkshake says, her assistant, who was asked to move Meghan on. Furthermore a lip-reader revealed that Meghan said “Don’t rush me” to her assistant.

Harry has won on 15 of the 33 hacking stories tested in court. Whilst it's write the Mirror Group etc should be held to account for despicable practices, I wonder how H&M will use this to excuse their paranoia and justify their demands.

Catherine's phone was hacked many of times, into the 100s.

Charles' phone was hacked/intercepted when he had the infamous "tampon-gate" conversation with Camila - which has been completely wrongly reported time and time again (including by Scobie in his stupid book), and will forever follow him around.

Tabloid hacking is/was unforgivable, but Harry isn't unique within the RF for having been a victim. I'm glad he's won his provable cases, but I'm not sure why the RF should now change their position with regard to him.

If it’s only a partial win does he have to pay his own legal fees? Or did he only have to prove one instance to win the whole lot?

Oh she was clearly moving her on.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12761581/Awkward-moment-Meghan-Markle-interrupted-aide-photographed-glitzy-Variety-gala-Duchess-squeezes-hand-continues-beam-cameras.html

@Cosywintertime that shows the difference between them

Meghan still needs to court thr cameras
Catherine does not.

The nastiness to both Catherine and Camilla in OSs book is just vile misogynistic BS. Name calling and blaming both women seems to be OSs way of doing things. He says it was Catherine's responsibility to nurture Meghan as Meghan was 'lonely'. How would he know she felt lonely if there was no collaboration? It looks like book sales are appalling so we can only be happy that people have more common sense than to take any notice of the book.

Was the title 'Endgame' supposed to refer to the end of the monarchy? But instead the book has brought about the end of both his career as a royal reporter and H+M's chances of Christmas with the family?