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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 2023-12-11T10:56:02+00:00

A continuing civilised and enjoyable discussion of all things relating to Endgame. Please keep posts on topic - I do not want to have to invoke Ross Gellar again! Previous thread: [[https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4957618-omid-scobie-endgame-part-4?page=1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4957618-omid-scobie-endgame-part-4?page=1]]

thebellagio · 12/12/2023 21:29

I wonder if Charles will mention the gruesome twosome in his Xmas day speech

Chouxpastryishard · 12/12/2023 21:30

LaurieStrode · 12/12/2023 20:58

Agree. He really failed to inform her. And she was too dazzled by her own opinion of herself.

She doesn't understand that it's the role, not the person. And that respect beyond the role is earned over years not automatically granted.

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It’s not Harry’s fault. She did no research of her own at all, didn’t listen to advice. She was a grown woman with experience of the world. She only needed to watch TV a bit or do some reading to know exactly what she was in for. She just didn’t want to think it through. She was dazzled by the prospect of fame and fortune beyond her wildest dreams. It was a job. If you apply for a job you prepare and research. She didn’t bother. It’s her fault, no one else’s.

Mylovelygreendress · 12/12/2023 21:40

thebellagio · 12/12/2023 21:29

I wonder if Charles will mention the gruesome twosome in his Xmas day speech

And which photos will be on display …..

Maerchentante · 12/12/2023 21:41

DelilahJane · 12/12/2023 21:24

For those who have read Endgame. Is there any mention of the first televised speech KCIII made when he became King?

I would like to know what H&M thought about K&W being made P&PoW while all they got was "I want also to express my love for Harry and Meghan as they continue to build their lives overseas"

I'd love to know the answer to this, too. I remember watching that speech on Piccadilly Circus on someone elses phone. Didn't know these guys but they asked if I wanted to watch with them (we had all thought it would be broadcast on the screens there). Once it was over, one of them said "Well that's quite telling" and I had to agree.

ArcaneWireless · 12/12/2023 21:41

thebellagio · 12/12/2023 21:29

I wonder if Charles will mention the gruesome twosome in his Xmas day speech

It would be no more than they deserve if it was just a sweeping ‘family near and far’ type mention - but I’m probably a petty bugger.

Talking of petty, I’d be tempted if I were Anne to plonk that red feather in front of any picture of them.

No probably about the petty bit it would seem…🌱

Mylovelygreendress · 12/12/2023 21:41

Love “ scunner” and “glaikit” . Both very descriptive although my personal favourite is dreich ( as in what the weather is like here in East Scotland).

JSMill · 12/12/2023 21:43

She was too dazzled by her own opinion of herself. Fantastic observation. I found her irritating but thought she would grow on me just like other new members of the RF. The problem with MM is she already thought she was somebody and so above advice.

ArcaneWireless · 12/12/2023 21:44

It feels like we are in permadreich @Mylovelygreendress

Apart from the slight respite with the -12 shite. 🌱

Maireas · 12/12/2023 22:17

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 12/12/2023 21:10

Did Andrew write inspirational messages on the pizza boxes?

😂

Maireas · 12/12/2023 22:19

ArcaneWireless · 12/12/2023 21:41

It would be no more than they deserve if it was just a sweeping ‘family near and far’ type mention - but I’m probably a petty bugger.

Talking of petty, I’d be tempted if I were Anne to plonk that red feather in front of any picture of them.

No probably about the petty bit it would seem…🌱

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I'd love that!
"La plume de ma tante"!

IcedPurple · 12/12/2023 22:26

EdithWeston · 12/12/2023 20:58

When I have a nasty cynical moment, I think it happened at exactly the time they chose. They said they had to announce because the press forced their hand. That was back in the days before the multiple tellings of "their truth" clouded the public perception of their accuracy

But they were phenomenally unlucky with the timing of the start of the pandemic. They lost all the momentum they might otherwise have generated.

You're right in the sense that there was a lot of 'buzz' about them just after they left, and everyone wanted to see what they'd do next. By the time the lockdowns ended, they were already old news.

However, pandemic or no pandemic, they'd still have the same problems. That is to say, an unwillingness to take advice, a complete fixation on their 'grievances' and most of all, no actual 'product'. Other than being ex royals who like to complain about their 'treatment', what exactly is it that Harry and Meghan do? What is their role? What do they have to offer?

Maireas · 12/12/2023 22:29

I don't think she had any intention of staying long term in the UK. Keeping the US agent and PR company?

Cosywintertime · 12/12/2023 22:41

TheCraicDealer · 12/12/2023 21:07

Yes I remembered seeing a Blind Gossip entry on it, it was before Archie was even born. Allegedly they had their “people” out in the area surrounding LA looking for a suitable house for them. When I read it I thought “no way”, but when they announced they were leaving and landed themselves in Canada I have to admit I thought “won’t be long before they’re in California”.

I’ve thought for a long, long time it was always their plan to GTF as soon as they could. It explains why they never took up any offers of help or advice (why expend the effort when you’re only planning on doing 12-18mos?), MM didn't get rid of her US agent or PR firm, kept a storage locker in Canada full of clothing and other items, and their alleged refusal to be anything but unhappy. Taken all together it seems clear that it was always their plan to stay for a time to get the Royal Wedding and give MM a patina only formed by royal status and connections, before bouncing off onto bigger and better things. Every time they make out like they were forced to leave through circumstances or press intrusion or whatever, they just lose more and more credibility to me.

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I think it was always the plan too. They were trade marking stuff before the wedding, and had already spoken to Oprah, the day before the wedding they had her in at not cottage showing her just how awful it apparently was and discussing the interview to come. They invited all the a list for a reason. What was it someone posted, Reese Witherspoon said she was invited and declined, saying why would she go to a wedding of someone she’d never met.

the die was cast before they even married, they just had to justify it. I’d not say long before, as they were only dating a year before engagement, and from their interviews, they met and pretty much decided that was it from the second date. Both suited the other in terms of ambition.

they were already out before they even walked down the aisle.

Lunde · 12/12/2023 22:54

I agree that Meghan had no intention of staying in the UK doing work she considered beneath her, unpaid! I'm not sure whether or not Harry understood the extent of her plans when they married or that LA was going to be the permanent destination - he seemed convinced that she loved camping in Botswana when she was aiming for Beverley Hills mansions and private jets.

Lunde · 12/12/2023 23:04

I think that Meghan had no grasp of what was required for charity work in the Royal Family in terms of preparation and research - the royals all seem very knowledgeable about the charities they support and the people there. They obviously spend time building relationships and being briefed about the current projects and aims.

Meghan, on the other hand, seems happier with US-style celebrity philanthropy - red carpet galas and awards ceremonies (usually making sure that she is getting the award rather than giving it). She treats charity visits like a $50 celebrity meet and greet at a fan convention - handshake or hug, poses for the photographer or selfie and then on to the next person and all over in 10 seconds or less. It's noticeable that she barely even speaks to wheelchair users.

Vespanest · 12/12/2023 23:36

I can understand some of the reluctance that Meghan would have felt, and probably couldn’t get her head around how in so much wealth in a family and cost in term of intrusion to be quite vulnerable if the marriage was to break down. How many women would want so much imbalance, all assets having conditions, the trust funds will be legally protected. In some ways she has protected herself. Harry on the other hand

whatausername · 12/12/2023 23:56

Vespanest · 12/12/2023 23:36

I can understand some of the reluctance that Meghan would have felt, and probably couldn’t get her head around how in so much wealth in a family and cost in term of intrusion to be quite vulnerable if the marriage was to break down. How many women would want so much imbalance, all assets having conditions, the trust funds will be legally protected. In some ways she has protected herself. Harry on the other hand

But she had her own money already so with careful investment she'd have that for a rainy day and she would have still got some kind of settlement. She can't really have thought that the estates, palaces, jewels, art, caes etc would have been split up for the sake of a divorce or that anyone (she!) would be entitled to such a share. Anyway, the slightest bit of thinking or research would show that these assets belong to the monarchy, that many of them have cultural value for the UK as a country and that, of course, assets would be protected so that no generation can arse it all and leave future generations, well, I wrote penniless but perhaps normal is the mot juste!

Vespanest · 13/12/2023 00:03

But Meghan is creating her own mini empire, she has invested, she is in a mansion that has her name on. Diana and Fergie settlements were good but both were at a disadvantage after marriage and both could not really have clean breaks. I don’t like or respect what Harry and Meghan have done but Meghan has given herself much more financial security than she had at the royal family.

whatausername · 13/12/2023 01:56

Vespanest · 13/12/2023 00:03

But Meghan is creating her own mini empire, she has invested, she is in a mansion that has her name on. Diana and Fergie settlements were good but both were at a disadvantage after marriage and both could not really have clean breaks. I don’t like or respect what Harry and Meghan have done but Meghan has given herself much more financial security than she had at the royal family.

I see your point re. she's creating a mini empire. But I would suggest she's gone beyond financial security and is in the territory of plain greed. However, that could be said about many high net worth people. She's just been especially brazen and public about it.

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 13/12/2023 07:28

Meghan has given herself much more financial security than she had at the royal family.

Not if security is £3/5 million a year

cheezncrackers · 13/12/2023 07:41

Maireas · 12/12/2023 22:29

I don't think she had any intention of staying long term in the UK. Keeping the US agent and PR company?

I think it was more that she was always hedging her bets. She certainly wasn't 100% committed to the UK, whatever she said in the early days of her relationship with PH, but she was willing to give it a go for a year or two. So when things didn't didn't turn out to be all palaces, jewels, fun, adoration from a fawning public and consistently favourable media coverage, everything was in place so she could immediately pull the plug and go to Plan B. And dear old disgruntled Harold was primed to follow - with his suitcase filled with a lifetime of gripes and resentments.

twinklystar23 · 13/12/2023 07:45

In response to P.P querying why both the D&D of E have come in for derogatory name calling "casual bigot" and "germphobe" could it be that they are also senior members of the royal family? So is it a case of wanting to bring down the monarchy and the individuals who represent it?

Though my theory does exclude Anne perhaps they were unwilling to take her on, can't think why?!! 🤔🤣🤣

Maireas · 13/12/2023 07:48

As @jeffgoldblum so wisely said, @twinklystar23 - Anne would tell them to naff off! They probably wouldn't be able to hurt or upset her, so why bother. Although who knows why Andrew never seems to draw their ire.

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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 13/12/2023 07:54

Comments from OS in Newsweek. Is he squirrelling, retaliating for the lack of public support, laying down the gauntlet or smoothing the path for a bit of, “It’s not my fault, everyone was mean, so I had to write a book giving my truth”? Answers on a postcard, please.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-memoir-omid-scobie-endgame-1850018

Why a Meghan Markle memoir would be a bad idea

Royal author Omid Scobie told Newsweek Meghan Markle should not follow Prince Harry's lead with a tell-all book about her life.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-memoir-omid-scobie-endgame-1850018

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Chouxpastryishard · 13/12/2023 07:55

Maireas · 13/12/2023 07:48

As @jeffgoldblum so wisely said, @twinklystar23 - Anne would tell them to naff off! They probably wouldn't be able to hurt or upset her, so why bother. Although who knows why Andrew never seems to draw their ire.

They want to keep in with Eugenie. She seems to be the only one they still see. Who was the ‘germophobe’?