Omid Scobie Endgame PART 4

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Continuing an enjoyable and civilised discussion of Endgame, and all things relating to its contents.

Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4954329-omid-scobie-endgame-part-3?page=1

It also shows how completely clueless he is. Why should the judge care about the circumstances of Harry leaving his job nearly 4 years ago? What's that got to do with whether or not Ravec followed the correct procedure in deciding his security arrangements? That is the only matter before the courts.

Even by the standards of extremely privileged rich people, Harry is incredibly ignorant about how the real world functions.

I dont think they are lying as such. I think they’ve told themselves a version of a story so many times that they’ve essentially gaslit themselves.

they no longer recognise the truth because they egg each other on, and they’ve surrounded themselves with yes men.

they’ve certainly conveniently forgotten the half in-half out element of what they wanted.

H is making no sense. So when they had protection in the UK, they still didn't feel safe and were forced to leave. Now he's arguing that if they received protection, then he'd feel safe bringing his children to the UK.

He and Meghan need to trademark "victimhood". It never ends.....

At a hearing in London today, the duke's barrister, Shaheed Fatima KC, said Harry did not accept that it was a 'choice' for him to have stopped being a 'full-time working member of the royal family'.

The lawyer read out an excerpt from the duke's statement in which he said: 'It was with great sadness for both of us that my wife and I felt forced to step back from this role and leave the country in 2020.

'The UK is my home. The UK is central to the heritage of my children and a place I want them to feel at home as much as where they live at the moment in the US. That cannot happen if it's not possible to keep them safe when they are on UK soil.

'I cannot put my wife in danger like that and, given my experiences in life, I am reluctant to unnecessarily put myself in harm's way too.' [Source - Mail]

Does he even know what he's doing?

How does this tally with what was on the SussexRoyal website? With what's in Endgame? Spare? Finding Freedom? The Oprah interview? The Corden, Bradbury and other interviews? The Netflix series? Because Harry's put this in a court statement as the truth.

And this is statement is now going to be crawled over.

@JSMill funny enough the rest of the royal family feel safe enough with the protection they have, so to say they had to leave because of it seems disingenuous at best.

also the fact is that he’s not treated harshly. He has been treated the same as his cousins - also grandkids of a monarch and the same as Anne/Edward/Andrew who were children of a monarch.

I would also argue his very own revelations and behaviour are what puts him at risk.

How does this tally with what was on the SussexRoyal website? With what's in Endgame? Spare? Finding Freedom? The Oprah interview? The Corden, Bradbury and other interviews? The Netflix series? Because Harry's put this in a court statement as the truth.

And to be frank, why is it the concern of the British taxpayer whether or not the Better Up CHIMPO feels 'safe' or not? His family holidays are of no interest or importance to anyone other than himself and his family.

Like I say, he really is embarrassingly ignorant about real world realities.

They just never calculated the huge cost of walking away. The left the UK with security. For all the monarchy wealth there are systems in place to keep that money in the monarchy. William may be in charge of a billion pound portfolio but it is carefully legally protected to ensure future wealth. Two options were open to Harry, cash in or come back, the first one chosen may still not have provided enough long term.

yesterday we talked about whether they were now social pariahs

it’s interesting even her agency are worried that she’s damaged her own careeer. After all, who would want to be in a production with them?

I find it hilarious that scobie thought he was taking down the monarchy but instead he took himself down and is dragging them down with him.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12837793/meghan-markle-omid-scobie-endgame-book.html

That may be going too far @thebellagio

She's been saying she's on the brink of being able to announce exciting new ventures. And I doubt they'd drop her just as things come to fruition

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, as the saying goes 😀but I would take the Daily Mail with a pinch of salt!

I didn’t read the article but it just sounds like clickbait.

I think they should give them security whenever they are in the U.K. if it’s just an occasional visit. Then rehash it if they decide to stay longer or come more frequently. He may not be an official IPP but he’s the King’s song FFS. He didn’t ask to be born into that family.

in fairness, it sound like Ravec plans to do exactly that: make decisions on what security will be provided as needed.

From what I have read security will be reviewed, and somewhere to stay provided, if he gives sufficient notice (30 days I think?) of a visit to the UK. Which seems fair enough.

Presumably security will be easier in any case if he stays somewhere already protected - and it might not be the personal protection officers 24/7 that he used to have.

Have to be careful with the son of a monarch with Andrew lurking in the background rubbing his hand with glee. I don’t think Harry’s security would change if William came to the throne. Some of the arguments for Harry could easily be applied to Andrew.

I find it hilarious that scobie thought he was taking down the monarchy

I find it hilarious that he ever thought he could come anywhere close to taking down the monarchy with nothing more than second or third hand tittle tattle.

What he and Meghan and even Harry don't seem to get is that the monarchy isn't about individuals. It's an institution which has been around for more than 1,000 years, or 1,500 years, depending on when you count from, and is central to the British constitution. One unsatisfactory king or queen (and there have been a few)? Never mind, here's another one.

The Queen understood that - she witnessed it first hand, after all, with the abdication. Charles gets it, I think, and William probably does.

A hack from a gossip mag won't make the tiniest dent.

I totally agree. It's not a popularity contest and I think all sides of the RF should think carefully about that. A bit more Princess Anne and less briefing the papers. Old Queen Victoria went into hiding when she mourned Albert but she was still queen,

He may not be an official IPP but he’s the King’s song FFS. He didn’t ask to be born into that family.

Edward was the Queen's son and Anne her daughter. They didn't ask to be born into that family. Yet they only got official security when on royal duties. I've never heard either of them complain.

Harry chose to go and live in California as a private citizen. Why should highly trained specialist officers be on standby just in case the CHIMPO decides to pop over on a whim? Maybe to promote his latest book slagging off his family? That's completely unreasonable. I really don't understand how anyone could take issue with the current situation, which is that Harry's security needs will be assessed and security provided if deemed necessary. Can you tell me what is unfair about that?

Harry's "arguments" - they don't even rise to the level of arguments; he's just saying words - are so pitiful that all you can do is let him blabber. He imagines himself to be much more important than he is. He thinks the country is bound to accommodate his personal feelings (because....they're his feelings). History is littered with entitled kings/queens/princes/princesses/etc who ultimately find out how irrelevant they really are. With today's statement, and in today's climate, he's also flying dangerously close to refugee-like language. What a fool. Utterly shameless.

Sadly for his children, he's laying the groundwork for them to have an unnecessarily dysfunctional relationship with the UK. Either he eats humble pie and backtracks quickly and completely; or he lives out the rest of his days embittered, exiled, in a hole he's dug all by himself. We all know it'll be the latter. It's how he sees himself, he has no identity other than as the misunderstood, maltreated, Spare.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67653280

Yes absolutely. What got me was that he thought gossip about Charles having his shoelaces ironed and his toothpaste squeezed would have any effect. I mean Charles has been in the public eye for a very long time. We didn’t make him king because we were under the impression he was perfect. We have a pretty good idea of what he’s like (even if some of what we think we know is baseless). He ended up king because and only because he’s the oldest son of the last monarch.
Possibly Prince Andrew level revelations would have an impact but even then there’s a chance they would just make them abdicate if that happened and pass it down to the next one.

Many wanted Charles to abdicate over his affair during his marriage to Diana. It wouldn't surprise me if OS's simplistic thought process about this led him to resurrect the William affair rumour, hoping for the same fervour.

Many wanted Charles to abdicate over his affair during his marriage to Diana.

He couldn't abdicate from a position he didn't yet have!

And a monarch's private life has little to do with how good a king he'll be. Charles I had an exemplary private life.

Yes you are right. Give up his place in the succession, then, rather than abdicate, and go straight to William (as the spirit of Diana) after QEII. I totally agree, re private life and fitness to be monarch - I am just saying that OS seems to be continuing the trend started back in the 1990s against Charles, this time against William.

I think a lot of the people demanding that the succession skip a generation thought that a mature constitutional monarchy is like the X Factor or Strictly - if enough of you don't like someone you can vote them out.