RAVEC - Prince Harry

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Can someone explain to me the procedure and how this works?

Btw, today I've cited one Telegraph article and one BBC article, and quoted someone else's link to a Telegraph article. Hardly 'tabloids'. Just saying. I think I'm a pretty typical poster on here - interested in the news stories, the legal processes and the people & public money involved.

I actually have discussed this with another moderator recently! happy to go over it again off the forum.

*I don't automatically assume Harry is a liar just because he is the son and grandson of actual known liars^

Neither do I, *Iwantcakeeveryday; for that matter I'm not even assuming^ he's lying this time since it's not yet proven

I simply regard it as likely, based on what he's known to have done already

The Royal family /King must be pretty confident there’s zero risk to Harry and his family now. The fall out if some nutter/terrorist organisation attacks them would be horrific for the Royal family as an institution (regardless of their individual feelings of grief about something happening to harry/the children).

(you just know the anti-Harry and Meghan press would turn on a sixpence and attack the “heartless King” who ignored his child’s plea for security. Why, his son even offered to cover the costs himself, just to keep his little family safe... )

I don't think that's the case at all.

Rather that the Palace and KC are content to leave the decision to RAVEC, who also make the decisions on the nature of the threat and the scale of security he (and the rest of the RF, and other VVIPs and others under threat such as Salman Rushdie) receives.

The letter on behalf of the late Queen makes it clear that was the RF approach then, and the King has continued that approach.

Yes, people (including Harry and Meghan) seem to misunderstand the basics.
Security decisions are not made by the King, or any other member of the royal family.

I would imagine that the Sussexes are less secure in the USA, though? That's the only time I've ever seen pap photos of them. I've seen quite a few of Meghan recently, in California. Never when they were in the UK.
It's a gun owning society.
Then of course, there was the "near catastrophic car chase" which occurred in NY.
Perhaps Harry wants increased protection in the USA because that's where most danger is?

He was present at the 'Sandringham meeting' where Harry offered to pay for his security, but did not notify anyone else of the offer.

Why didn't Harry or his people notify anyone else? It sounds like H is so clueless he cannot do anything for himself.

Plus we know he is capable of running a masterclass in spin, so I wouldn't exactly rush to judgement about what happened at the Sandringham meeting.

@Maireas in the US his security can carry weapons, in the Uk he can't pay anyone to do that obviously. As unreasonable as some people think it is, his actions come from a genuine place of fear.

Rather that the Palace and KC are content to leave the decision to RAVEC his most senior staff are members of Ravec. So yes, I am sure he is content with that.

Right, so he wants an armed UK guard at all times?
I would think on the occasions he's visited, he's safe eg Platinum Jubilee, HM funeral, the Coronation. He was taken by car from the airport to the heavily guarded venue and back. He would be safe in any royal residence. He's not doing duties here. I don't understand. Does he want to come back and travel around and stay in hotels in the UK? Is that the issue?
I think I'm missing something.

@mpsw - we all know that should anything happen to Harry/Meghan/the children, the technicalities of it being another committee (that does include royal representation) that made the decision would be lost, the King personally will be blamed.

its a risk.

So is Harry's point that the Sussex family want to spend time in the UK, but not in royal venues where they would be protected, but elsewhere?
Genuinely, I'm very unclear on this, and the posts seem contradictory.

You'll have to read the details of his case to answer those questions.

people still blame them for Diana's death, and the media were horrible to them then, as if they had nothing to do with the circus around her and it was all the royal family's fault! honestly the press are monsters... we sholdl all be able to agree on that.

In the US I can own an AR-15

Sometimes all it takes are a few words - otherwise we all end up repeating the same things over and over and over again from years ago 🤔

Firstly, 'the royal family' don't get to decide security arrangements.

Secondly, RAVEC have said that his security needs will be assessed on a case by case basis and if deemed necessary, he will be provided with taxpayer funded security. Given that he is 5th in line and holds no official role, I fail to see how that is unreasonable.

How do you KNOW that it's a genuine fear and that's his thoughts

The thing is, only a very small number of people are given round the clock armed protection. These include the most senior royals, PM's, probably senior ministers and others who have very important official positions.

Even had he remained as a working royal, it's very likely Harry's security would have been downgraded at some point, as it has been for other royals. He's simply not important enough to be guaranteed armed security whenever he feels like popping over.

Thanks, @IcedPurple - you've been very informative. Much of this case just hasn't made sense to me.

What I don't understand is that he had this security when he and M were living here, and then said he had to leave the country as he had to keep his wife and child safe. This suggests he consider the security to be insufficient.

And now he is campaigning/suing/arguing that he needs this security reinstated to keep his family safe? Seems a bit contradictory.

Completely contradictory, yes.

That was what was confusing me, @tattychicken . Yet they weren't papped or chased in the UK, so I don't know how that's less safe.

I don't think it matters.

These things are decided on the basis of sophisticated risk assessments by highly trained professionals. Harry's 'fears', genuine or not, simply don't enter into it.