Omid Scobie Endgame PART 3

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La Pom Pom Girl is doing the Double Dutch. But who is turning the skipping ropes? Part three/trois/drie of the continuing discussion of Endgame by Omid Scobie. Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4951834-omid-scobies-new-book-part-2

You need to that through if you are a Monachist.

If one can remove titles on a whim it leads to vunerable places for the Family.

She is riffing on an American TV show.

As she said just before going into the bow...

She and he performed brilliantly on every engagement they did.

Tis all there - on video and in print.

Not only - lets make the entire thread about the two people who were hurt by the entire affair.

The arogance and the fantasy of this post beggars belief.

A norml functioning adukt could not/would not be able to understand primogeniture and monarchy.

And Harry, born and raised in it also does not understand?

Which leads me to conclude...if the above is any indication of your argument and deduction then I PRAY that you are not in any public role.

Sorry, were the RF members named? I've missed this. Who are they?

So Charles and Catherine?

I can easily understand why Meghan couldn't get help herself. She was very unwell, in a different country, in a very alien situation being in the RF. It's not always easy to get help for your own mental health.

But if I was her I'd be so cross I'd married someone so bloody useless. I had severe PND after DD2 was born and was very very close to suicide. We don't have private health insurance or money for therapy. DH was beside himself, but did everything, rang the HV, the GP, the perinatal mental health team, left messages, researched charities and got the HV to refer me to them.
Harry had his own therapist who no one had ever found out about (so obviously possible to keep secret), and Meghan will have been under a private dr (and the pregnancy was kept secret until they announced it), and he couldn't just call someone?

That is certainly one way to look at it.

Another way to look at it that his father is head of the Church of England and King of the land. Both those roles require leadership.

His family situation could use a little leadership.

They said (H&M) that she wanted to go into residential care but the Palace were against it.

That is a culture clash - it is what they do in California. They book into a clinic for a while. In this case I can understand the Palace not wanting that for all sorts of reasons. But an alternative should have been arranged and quickly.

Enoughisay

It isn't arrogance to question if someone has understood something correctly. Yes its considering the obvious but to assume they have done is just that - an assumption.

Meghan made reference to in the OW interview that Archie would not be a prince. So did she not understand or was she being deliberately obtuse/manipulative in respect of WHY at that point in time Archie was not given the title of prince.

The main point of my post was suggesting could she have viewed that Archie was being treated less favouably compared with his cousins ( hence the more recent claim of unconscious bias?)

It's no more than a hypothesis - I think that's a fair claim, not fantasy at all.

@EnoughIsay it maybe ‘nutso’ but how else do you explain how names got into this book? I think Meghan is far more heavily involved in shaping the narrative than you think.
Scobie is being very evasive/ economical with the truth/ changing his story almost daily. I think his claim that he ‘never sat down with the Sussex’s’, or Meghan, is disingenuous seeing as clearly he must have got key bits of information from them or someone (who?) very close to then who knew the content of a presumably private letter?

it maybe ‘nutso’ but how else do you explain how names got into this book?

This ^ just proves how nuts this hypothesis is!

Are you really proposing an either or here?

That the only way those names got into a Dutch version of this bloody book is through mm? So how did that work then?

She rang the Dutch crew and asked for it to be included?

Or - called OS and instructed him to instruct the Dutch?

Or or or

This is just madness.

You might think it's 'nutso' but you didn't actually answer the question...

How do you think this supposedly confidential information got into the book if it wasn't directly from Harry and or Meghan?

You might think it's 'nutso' but you didn't actually answer the question...

How do you think this supposedly confidential information got into the book if it wasn't directly from Harry and or Meghan?Why is that the question?

Of course I did not answer the bloody question because I do not know the answer. Nor do you!

Why is that the question anyway?

Here are a few different ones off the top of my head:

How come the Dutch book had names in it? (marketing anyone?)

Are those names the "racists" or just other "racists"?

How do we know?

May we have some proof?

And on and on and on.

To suggest that MM is at the root of this is assinine.

Presumably the book will be sent from the publisher to the print house directly. It seems foolhardy to believe it would be sent from OS or MM's laptop to the printer in the Netherlands.

Honestly!

No more crazy than your assertion that MM has nothing to with it ffs!

This is just madness.

No, this is just madness - when you have backed yourself into corner, have nowhere else to turn so you blame someone else, which in this case are the translators who must have 'gone rogue'. Very publicly throw them under the bus to try and save your own skin and then expect people to believe you without question. This seems to be a common pattern in how all three of them, OS, PH and MM, operate.

Fortunately, a lot of people weren't born yesterday.

There are only two ways that information got in that book and I know which side I'd put my money on.

Of course I did not answer the bloody question Because I do not know the answer. Nor do you!

Of course we don't know which is why people are understandably wondering. It's difficult to believe it came from anywhere else but Harry and Meghan, who else would want that information known, hardly the accused party. It was a personal letter so who else could it have come from is a reasonable question and surely if it wasn't from them they would be very vocal in denying it...

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's reasonable to presume it's a duck...

Presumably the book will be sent from the publisher to the print house directly. It seems foolhardy to believe it would be sent from OS or MM's laptop to the printer in the Netherlands.

Actually, you are wrong about this. Omid Scobie only sold the World English Rights of his book to Harper Collins, ie for the English language versions of the book to be sold in UK/US/Commonwealth markets. He says as much in a tweet dated 1 August 2022 attaching a press announcement.

This left the foreign language rights with OS. These right to publish the book in a translated foreign language form is done by separate licences with individual publishers in the locality - lots of different contracts emanating from OS/ his agent. He confirmed as much in his This Morning interview.

So it's absolutely possible, and extremely likely, that a different version of the book was sent under one of those totally separate licensing agreements to this Dutch publisher. Whether deliberately or by mistake, only OS knows.

This is getting so tedious.😂

I personally think the names came at the OW stage to Scobie, and others. Harry tried his hardest to row back the accusations, as ultimately he wants reconciliation, for himself , his brand and his children. Even rumours that he has dropped his once demanded apology to acceptance of each other. Had it of been the king and queen named it may still of happened, now I’m not so sure, William would be a bigger person than me as I couldn’t let it go.

It is sad that we are losing the art of conversation and debate.

Name calling to shut down conversation is so tedious.

Yes aggressive responses to other posters views is interesting. Perhaps the clue of a posters attitude is nicely summed up in their Username

The only family on either side they are talking to is Doria, so I'm not surprised they are still together.

And M has H over a barrel re thr children, so he's not going to be able to leave the US if he wants to see them regularly.
Lilibet was born in America so has American nationality by default. Archie was born in the U.K. so is British, but I bet he has dual citizenship by now.
I wonder if Lilibet has British citizenship.

Also considering MM case against the DM that she won on the basis she "had a reasonable expectation that her private correspondence would remain private" I would have thought would have issued a statement with regards the letters between herself and Charles becoming public. Though no response to date.....