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2 racist royals?

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drowninginjelly · 29/11/2023 22:03

So who are the 2 royals who commented on Archie's skin now that Piers Morgan has named them on live tv

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Pomonas · 30/11/2023 10:31

You can't reverse it like that. No white person ever didn't get a job because they're white.

Have you heard of positive discrimination?

Albioncreed · 30/11/2023 10:31

jesterdourt · 30/11/2023 05:24

I’d be very surprised if a young woman like Catherine would be openly (or covertly) racist.

@Albioncreed are young people less likely to be racist?

It’s socially unacceptable for millennials to be racist: whereas years ago it was more socially acceptable

Yekaterinap · 30/11/2023 10:31

MyopicBunny · 30/11/2023 10:30

No, it doesn't work that way.

Oh of course it doesnt🤔

EmpressSisi · 30/11/2023 10:32

So on This Morning Scobie has said “I have never submitted a book that had their names in it."

Does that mean that Kate & Charles are not the racist royals after all then?

MyopicBunny · 30/11/2023 10:33

Pomonas · 30/11/2023 10:31

You can't reverse it like that. No white person ever didn't get a job because they're white.

Have you heard of positive discrimination?

Do you really think that positive discrimination is on a par with a whole history of white supremacy?

EmpressSisi · 30/11/2023 10:33

Oh and also, he has also said he has never used the word "racist" to describe the royals who allegedly questioned Archie's skin colour, describing the incident as "unconscious bias" in the book.

ItsTheCurtains · 30/11/2023 10:33

Yekaterinap · 30/11/2023 10:27

Who cares, I know so many black and Asian people who despise white people and I know so many whites that can't stand black and Asian people. It's Swings and roundabouts. There is racism in every single race in the world you will never change it.

Ah, what a progressive attitude. The future of the world is saved. Let’s just not bother trying to right the wrongs of history and forge better relationships in the world, let’s just accept racism.

BeigeChair · 30/11/2023 10:33

NonPlayerCharacter · 30/11/2023 09:56

My gut feeling is that a lot of people simply did not take to her: she seemed to enjoy the limelight too much. She seemed to bask in it. Something insincere about her.

But what exactly?

She turned up to engagements dressed well and smiling. That's literally the job. That's what Kate does and is praised for.

Maybe people didn't take against Meghan entirely of their own accord, but do you not think the unjust way the media reported it might have affected people's perception of her? Kate dazzled in a one-shoulder dress, Meghan was completely inappropriate when she did the exact same thing? Why was the media so against Meghan, and why did so many people accept the double standard without wondering where it came from?

Can you believe this piece - "black sheep", "If there is issue from her alleged union with Prince Harry, the Windsors will thicken their watery, thin blue blood and Spencer pale skin and ginger hair with some rich and exotic DNA. Miss Markle’s mother is a dreadlocked African-American lady from the wrong side of the tracks" and so on - was ever published and is still easily found online? And the "straight outta Compton" stuff?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3909362/RACHEL-JOHNSON-Sorry-Harry-beautiful-bolter-failed-Mum-Test.html

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This.
kate touches her pregnant stomach and it’s cute, Meghan does it and it’s attention seeking. I really liked they held hands and now the public go crazy of William puts his hand on kates back. Like they know how babies are made right?

And Meghan wore her own style, not those stupid coat dresses. And all the white gowns and sashes at royal galas. Just nope. I used to be pro royal and boought into the publicity crap but now completely think nope and that Harry wanting his own life was amazing. It’s good enough for Zara

Yekaterinap · 30/11/2023 10:33

MyopicBunny · 30/11/2023 10:31

Claiming reverse racism is yet another form of racism.

Oh come on, just say it, just being white is racist.

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/11/2023 10:33

billy1966 · 30/11/2023 10:13

😬
Is there truth to this?

Kate insisting on curtesys in private?????
Oh please.

I feel polite benign interest in the royal family, with a very fond respect for the late Queen, but the whole curtesy circus does not compute at all.

I wouldn't entertain that for a second.
Completely ridiculous IMO.

William saying "it's not like she's black"????

Bloody hell.

I should add that I think the washing of all of this laundry in public, the interviews etc., is absolutely dreadful.

So tacky and vulgar. Cringing for the whole lot of them.

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William saying "it's not like she's black"????

That was HARRY, not William. - speaking about Chelsey.

The "love of his life" who would (in his opinion) have been his bride not terminated their relationship if the nasty tabloids hadn't hacked her phone, e-mails, whatever. (I'll bet Meghan was thrilled to hear that bit when he stood up in court)

I don't know about Catherine and curtsies - if she does do this in private (doubt it!) maybe it's protocol (and if it is I admit it needs changing).

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 30/11/2023 10:33

CurlewKate · 30/11/2023 06:24

There is an awful lot of "my best friend is black- I understand racism!" on here.

@CurlewKate i agree with you on this point.

Like everyone I have friends who are different colours and yes at some point we’ll have the racism chat. Usually lighthearted but naturally if you’ve experienced it personally, directly or indirectly or in other ways, there’s no way if you’re white, will you ever completely understand or get this.

A few years ago my black friend got offended because a work colleague told her he was “going for a chinky” (Chinese) and he couldn’t work out why my friend was offended.

But on the flip side, my brother’s ex girlfriend who was mixed race also experienced racism from both black and white people, she identified as white but did embrace her black, Caribbean heritage too.

I don’t really understand the M&H hate here or the jump to accuse royals of being racist. I do think M&H rushed their relationship and H didn’t brief M on some of the finer details, had it been handled better maybe there wouldn’t have been petty squabbling and fall outs. Or maybe I’m being naive.

Yekaterinap · 30/11/2023 10:34

ItsTheCurtains · 30/11/2023 10:33

Ah, what a progressive attitude. The future of the world is saved. Let’s just not bother trying to right the wrongs of history and forge better relationships in the world, let’s just accept racism.

Yep, racism everywhere.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 30/11/2023 10:34

albapunk · 29/11/2023 22:13

I wish we had context for the actual discussion that happened.

My cousin has mixed race children. It was a running thing in the family (on all sides) as to what the children would look like when they were born and who's skin tone and features they would inherit. They were first grandkids for the dads family, who are not Caucasian. There was absolutely nothing racist about these chats or comments.

Right? My youngest cousin has an Indian-Italian-Swiss background.

The Italian nonna went: "Oh, those dark curls! I see the italiana! She definitely takes after me/us!"

Her Indian auntie went: "That dark hair, her eyes. Just look at her! She looks exactly like me!"

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/11/2023 10:36

EdgeOfACoin · 30/11/2023 10:21

Not who you're replying to, but I'm always interested in what eye colour a baby might have, particularly when the parents have different eye colours.

Same here - or even if they have the same eye colour but one or more grandparents have different.

Genetics isn't as straightforward as "O" level biology may lead you to believe.

Pomonas · 30/11/2023 10:36

@MyopicBunny The point is you said that not white ever lost a job opportunity for being white. I will not reply to further messages as I do not engaged with people who spreads hate to white people for being white.

ItsTheCurtains · 30/11/2023 10:37

Yekaterinap · 30/11/2023 10:34

Yep, racism everywhere.

And you’re part the problem.

Ramalangadingdong · 30/11/2023 10:37

Blueroses99 · 30/11/2023 09:20

The ‘will not stop’ is a bit of a reach. Harry said it was one conversation before they were married.

She is talking about her own situation which is similar but not exactly the same. She is allowed to do that, surely?

MyopicBunny · 30/11/2023 10:37

Oh come on, just say it, just being white is racist.

Most white people are, or will have been racist. Including me. It's what happens when you can't possibly understand any other position.

So I listen to what people of colour have to say and I try to do better.

Nothing changes whilst white people get defensive about accepting uncomfortable truths.

Andarna · 30/11/2023 10:38

@JudgeJ

No love, lots of people 'of colour' are sick of being used to push certain agendas and are also sick of being described as 'of colour'.

I'm behind again. I thought that that was the proper term nowadays. So what is now the correct term to call people that have a darker skintone due to genetic traits?

LuluBlakey1 · 30/11/2023 10:38

SplendidUtterly · 30/11/2023 00:52

None of thos even matters! It will all blow over and be forgotten soon enough.
Just like how our late queen wanted camilla to be known as "queen consort" not "queen" when charlie became king but that part has been forgotten very quickly (google it 😂)

She is queen consort. Queen consorts are titled 'Queen'. Look at them- Queen Mary, Queen Elizabeth (the one who became the queen mother), Queen Alexandra, Queen Charlotte- all queen consorts.

MyopicBunny · 30/11/2023 10:38

Pomonas · 30/11/2023 10:36

@MyopicBunny The point is you said that not white ever lost a job opportunity for being white. I will not reply to further messages as I do not engaged with people who spreads hate to white people for being white.

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😂😂 fine by me. I don't respond to people so ignorant that they refuse to look inwards.

mantyzer · 30/11/2023 10:39

Mamafromthebeach · 30/11/2023 10:30

Oohh ok - I wasn’t clear - yes I speculated on hair colour!! But yes with loads of pregnant friends of all background I have excitedly wondered whether their babies would look more like Mum or Dad!! And yes many of my friends are from different racial backgrounds so it is a conversation piece usually initiated by a parent - to - be!

In any case context is key I suppose.

Saying I wonder if the baby will look more like its mum or dad is normal.
I have never heard anyone talk about skin colour or colour of eyes.

Choux · 30/11/2023 10:40

*I think that Meghan just couldn't accept that she wasn't the "star" of the family - and also that greeting people and making them feel comfortable was part of her "job" as a working royal. Meghan thought, I think, that she would command superstar celebrity status in the UK, in the same way she'd wanted to get in the US but never managed.

She was massively popular when she married Harry, but she was never more popular than William and Catherine and didn't like it.*

Looking objectively at the four of them, Meghan, in my view, is the most polished followed by William then Catherine and finally Harry. Meghan is the best most natural public speaker, she also has great sense of style and is beautiful.

If the Royal family was a traditional PR or marketing company , she would have been groomed to be the next CEO. Kate does not have the same speaking skills for a global stage and yet she is the one who will become queen. Perhaps Meghan thought she was entering a meritocracy and her talents would be fully utilised, but the monarchy definitely isn't a meritocracy. Her role was to slowly fade into the background of the royal family, as Kate rose to become queen and understandably she didn't like it.

I think if she had understood more about the royal family before marrying, she would have bailed like Cressida and Chelsey before her. And then merched her almost royal status back in Hollywood.

Ramalangadingdong · 30/11/2023 10:40

Mirabai · 30/11/2023 10:17

Why would a Chinese heritage and white Irish couple discuss having a black baby?

I think the big difference is that it is the couple doing it. That’s up to them. When others wade in it can seem insensitive, and as pos have said if those others are not that welcoming it could feel downright offensive.

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