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2 racist royals?

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drowninginjelly · 29/11/2023 22:03

So who are the 2 royals who commented on Archie's skin now that Piers Morgan has named them on live tv

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BethDuttonsTwin · 30/11/2023 22:32

Megan had her own career and a tidy income. Kate married for position and money, whereas Megan didn’t have to. Is that too difficult for you to understand?

Meghan, in her mid thirties didn’t even own a house! Meghan’s cable series, filmed in Vancouver, was coming to end, she had nothing in the pipeline and no relationship (supposedly) so she came to London to try and get on Made In Chelsea and find an English boyfriend and those are the people she was socialising with. Harry fell right into her lap at exactly the right time. I think Meghan knows what hard work is and is always looking for the next opportunity and that’s great, but let’s not pretend she had this fantastic lifestyle and that Harry wasn’t a huge opportunity for her, in exactly the same way as Will was for Kate. Neither woman brought as much to the table initially as far as fame and wealth is concerned, as the men did and there’s nothing wrong with saying that.

Mirabai · 30/11/2023 22:33

Freakinfraser · 30/11/2023 22:17

It’s their forum, they can delete what they wish, and if you wish to contact them I believe it’s @mnhq.

however I am perplexed by the thought that perpetuating racist terms in our language , to millions of people, on this forum is some how acceptable dependant on skin tone or ethnicity.

id advise leading by example.

I’m perplexed that you’re trying to patronise me when you’ve no idea of the context.

We were actually discussing the RF’s “concerns” around the colour of H&M’s baby. Assuming it’s true we know what that means - ie exactly what I said.

WinterWarmth · 30/11/2023 22:46

I don’t get how anyone even believes anything was said at all, let alone by Charles and Kate.

Didn’t she let Charles walk her down the aisle. That would have been after he’d said such a dreadful thing (whatever it was).

Where is the proof, or did MM record it do we think?

That surely poses questions of whether she already had an agenda that she was recording private conversations of a family she was recently welcomed into (didn’t she say she was welcomed at the engagement, the family she never had)?

MM and Haz have already exposed themselves as liars.

MM obviously wants some sort of revenge on Kate.

I remember reading years ago of an allegation that the first time MM met Wills and Kate at their apartment in whatever Palace, MM had gone to the loo and Kate had caught her in one of the children’s rooms taking pics of them asleep or something to that effect! If that was true I can imagine Kate and Wills would have been furious considering who they are and their children’s privacy at home being invaded by a stranger taking pictures of them asleep that may have been sold. Odd story to for someone to think up anyway!

That certainly wouldn’t have got a relationship between MM and Kate off to a good start. Then there was the tiara tantrum, the alleged bullying of staff, the alleged tea throwing in Australia, the story of how Kate apparently took flowers to MM to smooth things over after the bridesmaid incident and MM allegedly slammed the door in her face.

Absolutely awful for Kate to now be scapegoated due to what sounds like really toxic jealousy and hatred. Didn’t MM even try to blame Kate for not getting her support with her MH?!

I couldn’t get over how MM was only in the RF for 5 minutes and immediately there were complaints of how she treated staff. I mean who does that? I couldn’t imagine being anything other than pleasant, kind and probably a bit embarrassed to have people who were tasked to serve me, especially having not been used to having ‘staff’.

AllisColm · 30/11/2023 22:49

MumoftwoGirls11 · 30/11/2023 22:25

There was a clip of Carole Malone saying that Kate is a fluffy Sloane, whose aim in life was to marry well whereas Meghan had already established herself as an actress in the highly competitive Hollywood acting industry, was a millionaire in her own right, was intelligent, a campaigner and an outspoken, independent woman with her own mind. If you add to that the fact that William was enamoured by Kate in a skimpy dress on a catwalk, you can see why Kate would be jealous of Meghan.

Harry first wanted to meet Meghan because he saw a photo of her on Snapchat or Insta and became enamoured. 🤔

AllisColm · 30/11/2023 22:52

Meghan knows that she will never have what Kate has.

LadyBird1973 · 30/11/2023 22:55

If Prince Harry wasn't a Prince, let's not pretend that MM would have looked at him twice. She is beautiful, accomplished etc. PH's main appeal is the Prince bit!
If some posters are going to say that Kate married for position, the same could be said of Megan.
I don't buy for one minute that she didn't google him the second he caught her attention. Or that she didn't know anything about how the RF works.

The press were undeniably awful, as they have been to many women over the years. Nothing new there.

I don't get it. They could have had such lovely easy lives - there was no need to spend much time either W&K if they didn't want you. Just do a bit of work and then go home to a beautiful house and all that money. Megan could have worked as an actress still.
Or they could have left and had quiet lives as royalty in America. But all this public airing of dirty laundry just tarnishes everyone associated with it!

mantyzer · 30/11/2023 23:17

No one could have access to William and Kate's children without permission. They have nannies and other staff. The children will be monitored all the time for their own security.

Livelovebehappy · 30/11/2023 23:18

Absolutely well known that Meghan was, and is, a social climber. She was a two bit actress, whose only slight claim to fame was a role in the US series Suits (which a lot of people over had never heard of). Her own family, apart from her mother, dislike her. Harry will come to regret having ever met her. He’s hardly blameless, but i just think they are two individuals, who are toxic together.

Myfabby · 30/11/2023 23:21

Livelovebehappy · 30/11/2023 23:18

Absolutely well known that Meghan was, and is, a social climber. She was a two bit actress, whose only slight claim to fame was a role in the US series Suits (which a lot of people over had never heard of). Her own family, apart from her mother, dislike her. Harry will come to regret having ever met her. He’s hardly blameless, but i just think they are two individuals, who are toxic together.

And Kate isn't a social climber? What's her claim to fame pray tell?

OhNoOhNo · 30/11/2023 23:23

Livelovebehappy · 30/11/2023 23:18

Absolutely well known that Meghan was, and is, a social climber. She was a two bit actress, whose only slight claim to fame was a role in the US series Suits (which a lot of people over had never heard of). Her own family, apart from her mother, dislike her. Harry will come to regret having ever met her. He’s hardly blameless, but i just think they are two individuals, who are toxic together.

Kate’s family flogged cheap party tat and sent her to uni to bag Wills. You can’t get more social climbing than that.

mantyzer · 30/11/2023 23:24

I think both William and Harry are punching above their worth with Kate and Meghan.

NonPlayerCharacter · 30/11/2023 23:25

Livelovebehappy · 30/11/2023 23:18

Absolutely well known that Meghan was, and is, a social climber. She was a two bit actress, whose only slight claim to fame was a role in the US series Suits (which a lot of people over had never heard of). Her own family, apart from her mother, dislike her. Harry will come to regret having ever met her. He’s hardly blameless, but i just think they are two individuals, who are toxic together.

I've seen a few clips of Suits and couldn't see anything wrong with her acting. The show ran successfully on cable for several seasons; most actors would be delighted with a job like that and she made good money from it. You may not like her but it's simple fact that she had success as an actress.

BethDuttonsTwin · 30/11/2023 23:29

mantyzer · 30/11/2023 23:17

No one could have access to William and Kate's children without permission. They have nannies and other staff. The children will be monitored all the time for their own security.

I read it was the nanny who caught her doing it and reported it to Kate. But who knows. I’m not sure about all these dramatic tales of evil deeds on all sides, they need to come with a hefty pinch of salt. The wives didn’t get on - a tale as old as time - but damaged, heightened people often build up minor wrongs into huge issues and behave accordingly and I do think M & H are guilty of that in spades.

Twonewcats · 30/11/2023 23:29

mantyzer · 30/11/2023 23:24

I think both William and Harry are punching above their worth with Kate and Meghan.

When Kate and William were dating at first, W was v cute and attractive

mantyzer · 30/11/2023 23:33

@BethDuttonsTwin I do not believe it. There is no way she could get anywhere near them. They did not live in a small semi with the only bathroom next to the kids bedroom. They were in Kensington Palace which was large enough to have a night and day nursery and staff quarters within the apartment.

HeddaGarbled · 01/12/2023 00:14

Kate’s family flogged cheap party tat

Actually, it was quality. Much better than anything else available at the time. I bought it for several years running in the early 90s.

HeddaGarbled · 01/12/2023 00:16

It wasn’t cheap either.

BlueEyedPeanut · 01/12/2023 00:28

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I guess you have to be a royal to be allowed to talk like that.

queentim · 01/12/2023 00:32

😂

Mummyoflittledragon · 01/12/2023 01:20

Hughs · 30/11/2023 10:25

It blows my mind that there are still people willing to stick up for Harry when he has, off the top of my head:

  • Used racist slurs
  • Dismissed his woc wife's experience of racism
  • Defended Lady Hussey's racism
  • Made fun of a disabled person
  • Dressed up as a Nazi for fun
  • Outed his first shag
  • Got naked with another woman while in a relationship
  • Forced Archbishop of Canterbury to deny he conducted an illegal wedding
  • Forced flight instructor to deny account of flight training
  • Lied about where he was when QM died
  • Not looked after his wife when she was struggling
  • Wound up the Taliban and put troops at risk with kill count / chess pieces claim
  • Complained that his bedroom in the castle in his grandmother's 50000 acre estate wasn't big enough
  • Abused drugs including while his wife was in labour
  • Slagged off his family in public
  • Criticised freedom of speech
  • Done a megabucks deal with company currently dramatising his mother's mental illness and death for entertainment

Gosh. I don’t follow this topic closely enough. I knew some, but not all of this. Am going to have to look some of this up… or maybe the rest of the thread will reveal the info?

FishBowlSwimmer · 01/12/2023 01:23

Ok so everyone is racist, even black people apart from a handful of racism guardians who get to decide what is and isn't racist, completely ignoring anyone else's experience or feelings, or the actual definition of racism. Really I give up, being accused of racism is becoming so common it's losing any meaning. People may think they're doing the right thing but actually they are making things much, much worse for black people.

Racism is serious, let's not use it to score points.

debbrianna · 01/12/2023 02:54

Thank you for posting the transcript of the Oprah interview. That is how I remember it and my view has changed.

I must be one of the few who do not give a flying f about who the royal racist is. It won't change the system by knowing who is.

It's also a certain demographic of mm crying for this information. It won't change their opinion but they also get a kick out saying who can't be racist. It must be the narcissist.

To me harry has only been the only out of the two backtracking. To my knowledge I have not read or seen where Meghan has tried to minimise the whole scenario, but Harry has.

Ger1atricMillennial · 01/12/2023 03:30

EdithWeston · 30/11/2023 09:20

Well it was Harry who said the racism doesn't exist (despite taking an award for standing up to it)

And as pointed out repeatedly, Meghan has never herself accused the RF of racism.

So taking them at their word - including the words in Endgame, which are "unconscious bias" - then no, there was no racism by the RF that "the brown woman" (as pp put it) has ever complained of.

It is far from clear what was said, and whether any concerns were fair ones. After all, as linked on the other thread, there were articles and tweets from the time of the engagement onwards about whether Catherine's slightly olive skin tone would mean the next heir was unusually dark skinned. So there are all sorts of possible scenarios about comments, including ones that could be positively helpful.

Recollections may vary is a brilliant phrase. And for the general public, it means "you don't know what's been going on"
And I think that, unless Harry is prepared to say what was actually said to or in front of him, plus how he told Meghan about it, then we cannot draw any conclusions about it, and it is very unfair to assume that something as serious as racism had occurred, or indeed something as pernicious as denial of racism.

H&M do not have a good tract record of their truth actually aligning with verifiable events.

Another pp pointed out that class discrimination was also an issue - I think that's relevant. Both Sophie and particularly Catherine were on the receiving end of that, also Fergie to some extent (protected by her friendship with Diana, but still blasted as "vulgar, vulgar, vulgar") It's clearly not an easy world to join.

Meghan accused the RF of racism when she agreed with the assumption that Oprah was making about a baby having brown skin is a problem.

Oprah: Because they were concerned that if he were too brown, that that would be a problem? Are you saying that?

Meghan: I wasn’t able to follow up with why, but that — if that’s the assumption you’re making, I think that feels like a pretty safe one, which was really hard to understand, right?

Pretty clear that she is saying that there is racism. It cannot be construed in any other way.

I have no doubts that there have been some problematic conversations around a mixed-race child (and also how PH would deal with the inevitable gutter-press around it) but this denying that she accused the RF of racism dents her credibility in discussing this topic.

Ger1atricMillennial · 01/12/2023 03:34

LadyBird1973 · 30/11/2023 22:55

If Prince Harry wasn't a Prince, let's not pretend that MM would have looked at him twice. She is beautiful, accomplished etc. PH's main appeal is the Prince bit!
If some posters are going to say that Kate married for position, the same could be said of Megan.
I don't buy for one minute that she didn't google him the second he caught her attention. Or that she didn't know anything about how the RF works.

The press were undeniably awful, as they have been to many women over the years. Nothing new there.

I don't get it. They could have had such lovely easy lives - there was no need to spend much time either W&K if they didn't want you. Just do a bit of work and then go home to a beautiful house and all that money. Megan could have worked as an actress still.
Or they could have left and had quiet lives as royalty in America. But all this public airing of dirty laundry just tarnishes everyone associated with it!

I agree... honestly if they had gone to LA and chilled out for 3-5 years, established themselves locally... very easy considering their connections and then popped up this year with even a half decent PR strategy then they can behave in any way that they like. There is no sense of the long game here.

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