2 racist royals?

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So who are the 2 royals who commented on Archie's skin now that Piers Morgan has named them on live tv

There are lots of people on MN happy to "explain away" racism. So it does not surprise me one bit.

Yep. These people do not resemble anyone, they are privileged and wealthy beyond anyone's imagination. And becoming more and more wealthy as time goes on.

Just 8.5% of Royal household employees are from ethnic minorities. That's pretty appalling. Apparently William is saying improving diversity is a 'particular focus'. He's going to be pretty busy what with bringing peace to the ME and ending homelessness.

In all seriousness, the Monarchy is based on colonialism and it's not just past history (QEII, Kenya etc) and the monarchy is wrapped up in that... Britain's legacy is epitomised by it, and it's not exactly something to be proud of.

I would be very surprised if the Institution itself was not racist. As for certain members, I haven't a clue, but the whole organisation is on a different planet.

Context is key.

Really? I have spent time with middle class white people, working class white people and some of them come out with racist statements and prejudices that would make you want to fall through the floor with embarrassment. Racism isn’t dependent on class, accent, money or the number of bathrooms in your house/ mansion/palace/semi/terrace. It is dependent on ignorance.

Also, would Charles and Meghan really exchange letters? It seems a very cumbersome way to communicate, especially considering they live on different continents...! Letters can easily get lost in the post too!

Between Palaces, they would go by messenger. So no, they wouldn't get lost.

Lots of letters from Palaces are on paper. Occasionally they become public (some between Phillip and Diana were in Inquest evidence, and I think a few others have emerged too).

If Meghan is narcissistic, Kate is super narcissistic. After all, it's Kate who wants to be curtsied to - even when invited to her brother in law's house in an informal capacity.

It's also the same Kate who was happy to let Meghan be thrown under the bus when the flower girl story was aired.

As for comments on the baby's skin colour. If the comment is made by people who you know love and support you, the comment is received within the same context.
However, if it's made by people who seem to only tolerate you - at best - and at worst, who have given off vibes that you are not the best choice for their son and brother, then the comment is going to be taken the same way.

Just because William said the family is not racist doesn't mean it isn't. William himself is quoted to have said, in his University days when probed about his girlfriend (before it was widely known who she was), "...it's not like she is black." To reassure people that his choice was not "controversial" or "out of the ordinary". If true, it shows someone who thinks black people are inferior or beneath him. Which coincidentally is the definition of racism.

Of course, people grow and change their views. And William might have different views now - at least publicly. But it's not a stretch to think that in private, members of the royal family say things that may sound a bit off - if they were reported in a newspaper.

My gut feeling is that a lot of people simply did not take to her: she seemed to enjoy the limelight too much. She seemed to bask in it. Something insincere about her

Yep. Seen all this before. Numerous threads and posts saying "there was something about her I just didn't like". And a thread on the day they got engaged "I'm fucking sick of Harry & Meghan already".

The hate from day one was off the scale. Don't want to hear... I thought she was a breath of fresh air but then blah blah.
There will be people that applies to.
But there was a hell of a lot of people in the category of "there's something about her I don't like" who never gave her a chance. I wonder what they didn't like???

So sick of all this racist crap. It’s a conversation that most families would have when a new baby is expected.
‘I wonder whether he will have your lovely blue eyes’.
Wonder if he will have mum’s blonde/curly/red hair.
l remember saying to my daughter that if she had a boy he would be a mini version of his daddy.
As soon as things weren’t going in accordance with M’s grand plan she pulled the racist card. Ignore, ignore, ignore.

@viques Maybe you need better friends?
I am working class and very very rarely hear blatant racism.

It would be much easier to accept the "no racism here!" posts if anyone could actually clearly articulate anything that Megan Markle actually did wrong. I've been dipping into these threads for years and nobody EVER has!

Is this whole thread 12 pages of:
Kate is insanely jealous of Meghan
Meghan is insanely jealous of Kate
It's normal to wonder what a baby will look like
?

Must be really hard for those who have experienced racism to witness so much of social media defending allegations of racism (regardless of what the facts of the matter are).

If a woman said she'd been raped, giving no further details, a thread with people questioning her experience & motivations for saying so would be rightly taken down.

Unless Harry or Meghan were present when this conversation was had then it's second, third hand, fourth hand narrative...Personally, I've always thought it more likely or not that racists & racist thinking exist within the royal family and believe the allegations from Meghan.

I do think having these conversations through the media instead of each other is a one street to destroyed family relationships, though. And, given the international position of the royal family, this has geopolitical consequences for Britain.

Someone in the royal family, in which I include H&M now needs to release a statement. Piers Morgan, I can't believe I'm saying this, has a point. The only way to deal with this is to put the facts in the open.

Continual speculation based on rumour as to what was said, how it was said, the context in which it was said just causes more and more harm - not just to the royal family (Inc H&M) or to Britain's international standing but also to individuals who have experiences racism and have to deal with all the narratives flying back & forth in the media & social media.

People care too much about the "royal family" affairs.

So much obsession with people oblivious to your existence.

I am Indian, DH white kids mixed race. It is really difficult to draw any kind of conclusions on wether there was racism without knowing the context and exactly what had been said. It was not unusual for people to say our kids had lovely skin or that they looked more like mum/dad when they were small and very very occasionally for people to say some quite horrid things. One distant relative I heard saying "the kids look too much like a P..". Trust me you know racism when you hear it, but generally comments are positive and inclusive.

I have a mixed child, and it NEVER even crossed my mind to talk or even wonder what their skin tone would be like. I was more invested in praying for a healthy child. Also, why would this be a discussion. It's not like one hasn't seen mixed race people before.

However, if I was discussing a child born out of a union between a human and an alien, then I definitely would be wondering about what they would look like. Because there are no examples of that anywhere in the world I live in.

Can I just say - ALL empires are, by definition, colonialist and unfair. Throughout history, this is what empires have been. An empire is an economic entity.

ALL countries have a history of slave-owning somewhere in their background - including African countries. No nation has clean hands when it comes to this.

There are more people living in slavery in the world today than at any other time in history.

You can't suddenly take people out of their background, nor can you erase the past. All you can do is try to make things better going forwards. We are everyone of us the product of our family and nation's history and have a responsibility to break free from the bad bits and consolidate the good.

It was HARRY that said about Chelsy Davy that she was from Zimbabwe but wasn’t black. Not William.

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/outrage-at-nazi-harry-7253087.html

You could say the same about the Kardashians.

She's been proven to lie in the past. She said her real wedding was the rehearsal amd not the ceremony at Windsor, causing the Archbishop to have to deny that as it would have been illegal. And what about the 2 hour high speed chase by paparazzi through Manhatten that the NYC police denied happened.

Yes, I agree.

My best friend is Chinese heritage - her husband is Irish ( red hair fair skin). They have 4 children - each time she was pregnant she has openly discussed which parent her baby will resemble ( ie black/fair hair olive/fair skin). Their children are a beautiful blend of both. Am I racist for wondering with her whether her baby will have blue or dark brown eyes? I don’t believe I am - it is just a conversation point. I love all her kids dearly.

It just seems so old fashioned in this day and age. Why not pick up the phone or send an email - for security reasons perhaps?

I guess they probably don't communicate by letter anymore, now Meghan lives thousands of miles away.

I think that there is no doubt there is racist people in Britain, and quite frankly in many countries the world over, for different ethnicities.

I for one though do not believe globally, or even just in the uk, people took against Megan as she has a mixed raced mother, only a small minority did. It is without doubt the majority of support was for them when she and him got together and at the wedding. With a minority of racists being negative. They were hugely popular in both the uk and the us and major hot property, hence why they could sign the deals they did.

we simply cannot ignore the behaviour of both of them, and that harry has went from one of the most popular royals to one of the most disliked and contentious. Saying people don’t like them for racist reasons is excusing the fundamental behaviour people didn’t like. You can have both, people disliking them due to their behaviour and others disliking due to racism.

the complaining, the selling stories, the freebies, the free loading, the trademarks, the wanting to monetise the royal brand, the clear reticence to be second tier royals, the victim mentality, the solicitous gossip, the lack of any real ability to have a career, the lying over the birth of Archie, the birth certificate, the Africa tour where they used that to attack the media, the court cases, the accusations, the treatment of friends and family, is what has done for them in the main, . No one likes racism apart from the racists. All decent people try to call it out if they see it. But no one disagrees there were pockets of it. And very visibly so. But that doesn’t mean it was the main reason the world disdains them both.

@Mamafromthebeach do you also speculate what colour eyes a baby will have for your couple friends who are white?

God this thread is so embarrassing. Adults inventing made up scenarios in order to fit a script they’ve written in their own heads around a family of people they don’t know.

😃😃😁 Meghan jealous. Shows you probably have never left Britain to travel abroad. You do realise that other people manage to live FULL lives without having or caring about a royal title, right? Hint: Harry and Meghan stepped down from royal duties.