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2 racist royals?

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drowninginjelly · 29/11/2023 22:03

So who are the 2 royals who commented on Archie's skin now that Piers Morgan has named them on live tv

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Hattie89 · 30/11/2023 09:29

CurlewKate · 30/11/2023 09:22

@Ilovecleaning "
Exactly. A relative of mine was about to become the GP of a new baby who was going to be ‘one quarter Asian’. We talked about his/her colour with delight."

I'd love to know how the mother of this baby felt....

Mum of children whose heritage is a quarter black African.

I felt totally fine as did their father. In fact, it was their African side of the family who did it most. They are being brought up to not be offended by this either.

Livingtothefull · 30/11/2023 09:29

anotherside · 30/11/2023 09:26

Anyway, when the first non-white person marries into a family and tries their very best to integrate into a totally different family culture and yet it still ends up in a civil war it’s not a great look.

I'm afraid this is the bottom line. Do any of the patriotic, upstanding Meghan-hating monarchists on here realise how bad the Royal Family is making us all look?

Given that they thought parading around locals on a Land Rover in the Caribbean was appropriate I am really not all that surprised it has come to this.

Merrymouse · 30/11/2023 09:29

OvaHere · 30/11/2023 09:10

Agree with this. Harry is mostly at fault here for giving a woman who lacked the cultural knowledge of British royalty a rose tinted version of the RF as part of a whirlwind romance.

Meghan probably didn't understand it takes years of being dutiful and keeping your head down to become fully part of the inner sanctum, even when you're already married in. Catherine and Sophie seem to have made it now but it's taken both of them a couple of decades to become 'proper' family.

I can imagine tensions from both sides with Meghan and Catherine. Due to the relationship moving fast and her being from a different culture I think Meghan did have some protocols fast forwarded for her, such as travelling solo with HMTQ quite early in the marriage and that sort of thing. Catherine had to put in a lot more years to get to the same place.

I think the RF did try to make her feel welcome in their own way, particularly Charles and The Queen, but Meghan not being part of the British upper classes in the first place wouldn't have recognised these small gestures and breaks with protocol as gestures.

It's all a big mess really and has largely come about because nobody wanted to say no to Harry or insist he had a longer engagement so Meghan had a chance at acclimatising. I can see why though because neither had the time to wait if they wanted a family.

I think you are right.

In Charles’s generation the only marriage that hasn’t ended in divorce is Edward and Sophie’s - and she went through a long sticky patch with the press. They were kinder to her after she almost died, and more recently after she has graduated into a Princess Anne/Duchess of Gloucester type image. However if the entire Royal Family were just quietly getting on with things people would forget about them.

OvaHere · 30/11/2023 09:29

Mirabai · 30/11/2023 09:15

It's all a big mess really and has largely come about because nobody wanted to say no to Harry or insist he had a longer engagement so Meghan had a chance at acclimatising. I can see why though because neither had the time to wait if they wanted a family.

How you possibly say “no” to an adult? How can you say this country and possibly the RF is too racist to actually accept her? Charles was dissuaded from marrying Camilla and look how that panned out.

That's what I meant. They didn't want question Harry and his choice because of what happened with Diana/Charles/Camilla. Same reason William wasn't told no to marrying Catherine.

I just think there was probably some concern that Harry and Meghan didn't have the same amount of time as W&C to take it very slow and that was always going to be difficult for Meghan.

piscofrisco · 30/11/2023 09:29

I dont think speculating about the appearance of a future baby is racist as pp have said. I don't doubt the RF might be racist but I don't think this is the example that shows it.

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/11/2023 09:30

Mirabai · 30/11/2023 09:16

I really recommend you don’t embarrass yourselves further.

I'm from a mixed race family and I agree with @Ilovecleaning. It is absolutely self indulgent shite.

Ilovecleaning · 30/11/2023 09:30

Mirabai · 30/11/2023 09:29

No doubt you’re not but you should be.

Ok: your original reply should have been ‘ you should be embarrassed’ but I’m not…

anotherside · 30/11/2023 09:30

It’s incredbky dense to think that a couple speculating on aspects of their babies appearance is the same as other people speculating on the baby’s skin colour. Even more so when it’s the first ever non white person (who has been receiving racial abuse from sections of the public) in your famous all white family. I don’t necessarily think the two royals involved are especially racist, but it’s a really inappropriate thing to do and I’m not surprised Meghan was annoyed.

Roussette · 30/11/2023 09:32

CurlewKate · 30/11/2023 09:22

@Ilovecleaning "
Exactly. A relative of mine was about to become the GP of a new baby who was going to be ‘one quarter Asian’. We talked about his/her colour with delight."

I'd love to know how the mother of this baby felt....

Exactly. And why on earth is a GP discussing what a baby she will be the Doctor for and who will be 'one quarter Asian' talking about what this baby will look like with her (the Doctor's that is...) relatives.

I despair..

Angrycat2768 · 30/11/2023 09:34

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/11/2023 09:03

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to imply by that comment.

If a nation feels they want to welcome a visiting dignity (Royal or otherwise) with a demonstration of dancing, singing etc, what is that dignitary supposed to do? Walk out? Complain? Throw a blanket over the dancers?

Or accept the accolade in the spirit it is given, and thank everyone for their hospitality and the welcome?

There is a difference between being 'presented' to Black people who have to perform for you and be polite and answer your inane questions and having one in your family. To be fair, I doubt they care about any of us 'normals'. They care about not having too much scrutiny , which is why they do all the hand shaking in the first place. Prince Andrew ( and Harry for that matter) were brought up in the Royal Family. They are absolutely a product of that, just like the rest of them. Andrew more or less publicly said he and people 'in his circles' didnt even notice anyone but his rich friends. They were there to attend to his needs- so barely even human.

Ohnoooooooo · 30/11/2023 09:34

While I am not keen on King Charles - for f…k sake - I am mixed race and I wondered what colour skin my children would have. Context is everything but I would be very surprised myself if H&M did not look at each others vastly different looks and wonder basic stuff like would their children have ginger hair, what skin tone etc. wondering what a baby would look does not instantly make you racist there has to be more to it to make it racist.

ScremeEggs · 30/11/2023 09:34

They aren't racist in a million years. Mm is a nasty piece of work and it all stems from jealousy. Harry is an arrogant idiot.

🤣
Somebody else who knows them personally and inside their heads!
What are the chances lol 😂

Merrymouse · 30/11/2023 09:35

Livingtothefull · 30/11/2023 09:29

I'm afraid this is the bottom line. Do any of the patriotic, upstanding Meghan-hating monarchists on here realise how bad the Royal Family is making us all look?

Given that they thought parading around locals on a Land Rover in the Caribbean was appropriate I am really not all that surprised it has come to this.

It seems obvious that they can’t continue parading around in Landrovers in the Caribbean, but that is because of the underlying reason that they were there at all.

If the British want to pay for a Royal Family I doubt that any one else cares.

Angrycat2768 · 30/11/2023 09:35

Roussette · 30/11/2023 09:32

Exactly. And why on earth is a GP discussing what a baby she will be the Doctor for and who will be 'one quarter Asian' talking about what this baby will look like with her (the Doctor's that is...) relatives.

I despair..

I presume GP was grandparent!

Theunamedcat · 30/11/2023 09:36

Roussette · 30/11/2023 09:32

Exactly. And why on earth is a GP discussing what a baby she will be the Doctor for and who will be 'one quarter Asian' talking about what this baby will look like with her (the Doctor's that is...) relatives.

I despair..

Grandparent? I'm assuming?

Theunamedcat · 30/11/2023 09:37

Merrymouse · 30/11/2023 09:35

It seems obvious that they can’t continue parading around in Landrovers in the Caribbean, but that is because of the underlying reason that they were there at all.

If the British want to pay for a Royal Family I doubt that any one else cares.

If I'm given free land-rovers I'm parading around in free land-rovers

elprup · 30/11/2023 09:37

I'm so confused by this. I've seen the passage that mentions Charles's name, but what does the book actually say about Kate? Are these the copies that are getting pulled from shelves?

Roussette · 30/11/2023 09:38

Angrycat2768 · 30/11/2023 09:35

I presume GP was grandparent!

I'm lost! So the GP is also the grandparent? Does that actually happen? Surely the mother of the child who will be 'one quarter asian' would be allocated a different GP in case there were complications

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/11/2023 09:39

Roussette · 30/11/2023 09:32

Exactly. And why on earth is a GP discussing what a baby she will be the Doctor for and who will be 'one quarter Asian' talking about what this baby will look like with her (the Doctor's that is...) relatives.

I despair..

I assumed "GP" was "grandparent"

Matronic6 · 30/11/2023 09:39

Roussette · 30/11/2023 09:32

Exactly. And why on earth is a GP discussing what a baby she will be the Doctor for and who will be 'one quarter Asian' talking about what this baby will look like with her (the Doctor's that is...) relatives.

I despair..

I despair that you wrote such a condescending/judgemental post when you lack the basic comprehension skills to deduce GP meant Grandparent.

Theunamedcat · 30/11/2023 09:39

Roussette · 30/11/2023 09:38

I'm lost! So the GP is also the grandparent? Does that actually happen? Surely the mother of the child who will be 'one quarter asian' would be allocated a different GP in case there were complications

No I think "gp" in this case refers to grandparents not GP (dr) at all

Mirabai · 30/11/2023 09:40

Matronic6 · 30/11/2023 09:12

Yet a lot of people on this thread alone said they did have these conversations about what their child may look like.
My family wondered whether my child would get my fair skin or her dad's olive skin. We also wondered what colour her hair and eyes might be, as her dad and I are so different.
A few weeks ago I had lunch with a friend who was contemplating what her child may look like as the baby will have black, japanese and nordic genes.
Such speculation is not ignorance it's excitement.

Edited

As Maya Angelou would say: “mhmm”.

Bigcoatweather · 30/11/2023 09:40

anotherside · 30/11/2023 09:24

A couple speculating on their child’s facial features is somewhat different from the couple’s relatives speculating on the child’s skin colour. It’s insensitive and inappropriate/borderline weird at best.

Really? As a non-white person with very mixed heritage on all sides of the family, I was certainly curious and speculated with excitement on how my children would look. I couldn’t wait to see.

The problem is some people telling others what is acceptable and insensitive without adding ‘in my opinion’. You certainly don’t speak on behalf of me, but you are absolutely entitled to your opinion. But not my spokesperson as a woman of colour.

Roussette · 30/11/2023 09:40

But would that actually happen? It will be the Mother's Mum or MIL.

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 30/11/2023 09:40

Whatever happened in reality, the optics are not good for either the Royal Family or Meghan and Harry. Enough has been revealed with sufficient ambiguity that a seed of doubt has been sewn about both their viewpoints.

It's possible that Harry mangled his recollection of a much earlier non-racist conversation which he then relayed decontextualised to Meghan whilst pregnant.

It's possible that the public personas of King Charles and Kate are different to their private selves.

The general public just don't know.

I guess Omid Scobie is the only winner in all of this?

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